when will this game be ready?

[tomcat666]

now this is one of the greatest war games ever made ( i have heard), all i want is the original, this update will probably be full of bugs and might be inferior.

like harpoon 2

All you should have done is updated the graphics and the sound and interface to 21 century standard and release it.

it was already almost perfect, i hear from others, as far as gameplay was concerned.

now the way you are going it will not be out until 2070 and the price will be overinflated!

does anyone know where you can get the original?

[kleinergeist191]

http://www.ssgus.com/ccaw.html

[rhondabrwn]

I bought my copy from them. Don't expect fancy packaging though. The manual looks like they printed it off on an inkjet (the cover has your name printed on it as a "bonus")and then stuck in a report binder. Read the installation instructions carefully though as I encountered a glitch on one of the screens that required me to "push the return key twice" on a black screen to finish the installation. I never saw a "finish" screen, but the game did work when I tried it. Maybe they've fixed that little glitch by now.

Anyhow, it's well worth the $27 they are charging for it. I just wish I had the original packaging from my old original copy. It came in a "record album" format that opened up and had some great charts and screen shots on it. What I can't remember was if that original version was for my old Apple II Plus or if it was for my IBM PC. A lot of the SSI games I bought back then were Apple II games. This was like 1979 or thereabouts.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: tomcat666

now this is one of the greatest war games ever made ( i have heard), all i want is the original, this update will probably be full of bugs and might be inferior.

like harpoon 2

All you should have done is updated the graphics and the sound and interface to 21 century standard and release it.

it was already almost perfect, i hear from others, as far as gameplay was concerned.

now the way you are going it will not be out until 2070 and the price will be overinflated!

does anyone know where you can get the original?

Interesting that you know all this stuff for sure, WITHOUT EVER HAVING SEEN THE NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!

[tomcat666]

Well you are sensitive terminus, not in bed with the developers are you?

Secondly, improve your English comprehension, I said probably, which does not mean for sure. It means there is a large possibility. I have seen it many times before in previous games.

Like movies sometimes the original is best.

If I meant to say for sure, I would have said: "definitely".




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[tomcat666]

I[;)] knew this post would get you going having read your other replies

[tomcat666]

Plus the price of $59 US, which is $77 Australian seems overinflated for a retread.[:(]

This is compared to price of other games on this site and elsewhere.

[Ursa MAior]

Well T I tend to disagree here too. 60 us bucks is a bit over the head for a retread (this one is good I used to work for a tyre company).
 
 

[Prince of Eckmühl]

I read these too-much-$$$ threads and get the impression that way, way too many wargamers are on public assistance. Seriously, how much do you guys spend a month on beer, Big-Macs and tobacco?


PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Ursa MAior]

I can live without a "retread" but not without beer. [;)]
 
I prefer wine btw.
 
If it were say in a  20 something category I could justify for myself the risk of disappointment. I am not whining juist simply stating that this price with the CURRENT infos is not justified for me.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

I can live without a "retread" but not without beer. [;)]

I prefer wine btw.

If it were say in a 20 something category I could justify for myself the risk of disappointment. I am not whining juist simply stating that this price with the CURRENT infos is not justified for me.

Respectfully, are you gainfully employed?

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Ursa MAior]

Yes I am, but live in a country with family which is the poorest in the EU. So 40+ bucks DOES make a difference to me.

And I dont like computer warez (ie cracked games).

[tomcat666]

Now are you attacking the poor?, well there are many people out there who are struggling and price of anything is a valid concern. Just because you are comfortable does not mean others should not be concerned with such matters.

I do no appreciate your ( apparent) condescending remark about people on welfare, there are lot of unfortunate people out there. Through no fault of themselves, the old, the sick etc.

I know of I guy who is on welfare due to a car accident, and his only means of entertainment is the computer and the TV etc. Should this guy be discriminated against?

Now I do have a job, but it has always been my policy to avoid being ripped off, because I don’t like it, and most people unless they are very rich should be as well. Money is a precious commodity and being an accountant I have learnt that it is very wise to spend intelligently.

Ten dollars here and there, it all adds up.

A client once was complaining he had little cash even through he had a good job. Well when I looked at his lifestyle I understood, he spend for instance $10 a day on buying his lunch, now that may not sound a lot but over 320 days that adds up to $3200 dollars.

So it is wise to be thrifty and smart, and this also concerns buying games as well. Plus from a software competitor's point of view it makes Matrix not competitive to other game companies and leaves an ill feeling in the customers mind.

Leading to negative customer satisfaction and loyalty, very important for customer retention.


Smart pricing makes good business sense.
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[Prince of Eckmühl]

Yes I am, but live in a country with family which is the poorest in the EU. So 40+ bucks DOES make a difference to me.

And I dont like computer warez (ie cracked games).

Thanks for responding.

I asked because I realize that everyone may not be as fortunate as myself, materially speaking. Because of this, they'd likely have drastically different sensibilities about money than I do. For those folks, I'd encourage you to spend your hard-earned currency carefully, even if it means giving up wargaming altogether. You can't allow the cost of playing these games to cut into the things that really matter in life, your personal welfare, or that of your family.

For everyone else, you foul, decadent no-goodskies from the Western democracies, give me a break! I know what a "rack" of Budweiser or Beck's goes for, or a trip to the cinema, or sticking a bill in a g-string at that nudey-bar on the way home from work. WE ALL KNOW THAT ENTERTAINMENT IS EXPENSIVE! If you don't want to pay, then you're not going to play.

Here's an idea, buy yourself some commodities, bags of dried beans and rice, hunker-down, and wait for your country to go back on the gold-standard. That'll be as good as it'll likely ever get for you tight-fisted WHINERS!

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Ursa MAior]

Altough I wont call myself well to do, I can afford a computer game once in a while. But that one MUST worth its price (like Uncommon Valor, or War in the pacific both were good buys or as I hope cEiA will be), but I am really upset when I feel I am being ripped off.

Sad but that is the case with Harpoon and I fear it will be with CaW too. I was cautious enough not to buy Crown of Glory cuz of its unlimited and ahistorical freedom. I still play the antique DOS based Battles of Napoleon or Fields of Glory (pity that its AI sucks so big time that big battles are unplayable although I won Nivelles with both sides at least 100 times) from time to time.
CotA is next on my list, and if CaW and cEiA is delayd further I will buy it soon.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: tomcat666

I know of I guy who is on welfare due to a car accident, and his only means of entertainment is the computer and the TV etc. Should this guy be discriminated against?

Then I'd have to assume that he's shelved the beer, Big-Macs and tobacco, along with having curtailed his purchase of discretionary products like wargames. And in EXACTLY what sense is this gentleman being "discriminated against" if the CaW gets published at $40 a pop?

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[tomcat666]

In terms of discriminated against I was talking in general terms, see I am a follower of US politics, and there is a certain altitude against the poor in that country.

This is emphasized with Bush cutting welfare, meals on wheel etc., high drug cost and poor medical care, it was a generalized comment in regard to some countries polices etc. Bush has in fact cut welfare spending to pay for his war. For example heating assistance to the poor was cut during the winter, I think.




Dispute what you say the market place is competitive and if matrix overprices their games they will suffer a negative impact, as all business do. It is perfectly justified to complain if you feel that you are being overcharged, I see no problem with that.


And with PC games there is no guarantee that it will work right either due to compatibility issues. It is not like nintendo where there is perfect compatibility etc.


For instance I bought the game Lock On, and it was full of compatibility issues and I consulted the Internet, and found others who said it was shit as well. There was guy who bought a real high end computer for it and it still had issues. It is things like this that make me disinclined to buy PC games, and stick to my Xbox where compatibility is never a problem.

When you spend 80 bucks on something and it does not work right and you cannot take it back it pisses you off.

That is another reason I am not inclined to play such excessive amount for PC games, often PC means poor compatibility. But unfortunately I like strategy games and they are unavailable on console.

I dearly hope this changes in the future

[Ursa MAior]

Tomcat666
Well Bush jr is not alone in his 'save the rich, barrage the poor' kind of politics we have the same here thanks to our millionare turned commie party leaders (hoping it is about to change), but let us keep the thread on topic please.

Thank you.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: tomcat666

In terms of discriminated against I was talking in general terms, see I am a follower of US politics, and there is a certain altitude against the poor in that country.

What on earth does that have to do with the price that Matrix charges for its games? Oh, I can see the headline now, "Matrix Rejects Demands From Indigents for Discounted Software: Social-Democrats Vow Inquiry." What a hoot!

There was a time in my life when I didn't have a pot to pee in. I subsisted on macaroni and (powdered) cheese dinners. I had no computer or television. Hell, I didn't have a telephone.

I had to be careful about my wargaming purchases, mighty, mighty careful. Not one time during that era did I ever consider going to Avalon Hill and bitching about the cost of the games they published, not once.

And if you want to reduce the concept of personal pride and responsibility to a "certain attitude," then so be it, but it says a heck of a lot more about you than it does about me.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Custer1961]

ORIGINAL: tomcat666

In terms of discriminated against I was talking in general terms, see I am a follower of US politics, and there is a certain altitude against the poor in that country.

This is emphasized with Bush cutting welfare, meals on wheel etc., high drug cost and poor medical care, it was a generalized comment in regard to some countries polices etc. Bush has in fact cut welfare spending to pay for his war. For example heating assistance to the poor was cut during the winter, I think.

Your post is so full of misinformed, trite old line leftist/socialist propaganda that I know replying is futile. I will reply in the hope that others will not have to dwell in the same distorted political world that you suffer.

Fact: Federal Welfare Spending per recipient has increased under the Bush Administration.
Fact: Federal drug spending has increased enormously under the Bush Administration. In fact, The Bush Administration passed the biggest drug subsidized bill in history by paying for drugs for Seniors over 65. In fact, many people believe that this country believe we are OVER- medicated.
Fact: Meals on Wheels and Heating for the elderly are state run programs and are not funded federally by the Bush Administration. Most programs in the states that have them have increased in the last decade.


One of my best friends at my old job was an illegal immigrant from Mexico. We would always talk politics and life and knew each other well enough to talk for real and not just exchange political punchlines. One comment he made always stayed with me when I ask him why he chose to come to USA..........he said "everybody has a complaint about the USA because people actually believe that if they complain, something will change and it will get better. In Mexico, and other countries, people stop complaining because they have lost hope that things will get better. In my country of Mexico, poor people literally starve to death, but in USA even the poor people have trouble losing weight."

Tomcat666 the true sadness is that your attack on the USA is based on false beliefs and assumptions and have nothing to do with reality.