RHS Seasonal Maps

[el cid again]

Cobra has updated the Summer / Monsoon art to 6.641 standard - and I plan to do an associated pwhex called
MONPW6641.dat (except it will probably be 6643).

Cobra is working on a Winter art revision - the base art is already done. And I will do a similar WINPW6641.dat file.

Winter is four months long (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar)

Spring is two months long and uses the normal map (Apr/May)

Monsoon is four months long (Jun/Jul/Aug/Sep)

Fall is the remaining two months.

The effects are changes to LOC on land and freezing of river and sea hexes in the far North - particularly in Russia.

These are optional of course.

[drw61]

Cobra Aus
I downloaded the RHS v5.641 map panels (without hexes) from http://www.rhs.akdreemer.com/RHS%20Maps/version%205%20maps/
and panel WITN11 (NE Aus / New Guinea) is the hex panel version.
 
I really like these maps!  [&o]

[JeffroK]

Dont forget that in the Southern Hemisphere the seasons are opposite, Jan-Feb is averaging at 30degC at the moment plus winter is far milder than Japan/China. Plus the monsoon in Nthn Oz, & I assume PNG & Indonesia is more January than June.

[Mifune]

I do not thnk that one has to tell cobra that, with his PC in danger of overheating on the warmer days.

[JeffroK]

Its hotter where I live, about 10km North of Cobra. (Cobra, dont we rate as a seprate hex??)
 
I was less worried about the map than the apparent allocation of dates to the seasons.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

EDIT: Wrong Thread

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Dont forget that in the Southern Hemisphere the seasons are opposite, Jan-Feb is averaging at 30degC at the moment plus winter is far milder than Japan/China. Plus the monsoon in Nthn Oz, & I assume PNG & Indonesia is more January than June.

While the names of the seasons are dictated by the Northern Hemisphere - which has most of the land - and most of the land at extreme latitudes - we will consider effects of season hex by hex - and so you may see some "winter" effects during "summer" if you look in the far South. Not sure - Cobra did the maps - mainly from photographic materials - and I code pwhex to match the maps.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Mifune

I do not thnk that one has to tell cobra that, with his PC in danger of overheating on the warmer days.

On top of which Cobra lives on the Southern coast of Australia at Geelong - so he has a rather Southern Hemispheric orientation and awareness. WITP has a rich set of official, semi-official and unofficial contributers - not to mention users - in OZ and NZ. In fact, Andrew - coordinator for CHS - also is an Aussie - and it is he who designed the basic map system we are using. It is likely our maps are rather more correct for Southern Hemispheric data than is generally the case with maps made by people not so aware of that area. I myself - although I probably live farther North than any other person associated with WITP except AKWarrior - we live in the same town in Alaska - am a sailor who has been to those waters - and I am well aware of the season reversal - not just some Northerner who never thought about it.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Its hotter where I live, about 10km North of Cobra. (Cobra, dont we rate as a seprate hex??)

I was less worried about the map than the apparent allocation of dates to the seasons.

The dates are adopted from the old, Simulations Publications game War In The Pacific - a mechanical game.
If it turns out Dunnigan et al were wrong - we can easily change them. That is the function of this thread - both to inform and to collect data on how to do this properly?

[JeffroK]

???
 
Who else is to blame for errors in this game??
 
You'll be blaming H.G Wells soon.
 
You clearly state time periods for seasons, forgetting about Summer in the process.
 
Therefore, do we end up with Winter on the southern map sections during December, as you imply, or does the system have a Northen temperate / Equatorial / Southern temperate split to the effects?

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

???

Who else is to blame for errors in this game??

You'll be blaming H.G Wells soon.

You clearly state time periods for seasons, forgetting about Summer in the process.

Therefore, do we end up with Winter on the southern map sections during December, as you imply, or does the system have a Northen temperate / Equatorial / Southern temperate split to the effects?

You have managed to lose me entirely. My intent is not to "blame" anyone. I am a professional and I identified my source. Jim Dunnigan - whom I know - says that "good game designers shamlessly steal from each other." [Some printed versions clean that up to "borrow" - but he uses the word "steal" - probably tounge in cheek].

And Winter is the term used in the model I looked at - and I felt it was communicative. It implies the time when the Sea of Othosk and the Bering Strait and the Amur River complex are frozen over. There are no comparable events in the Southern Hemisphere in our area of interest. Using a term like "Winter/Summer" would be too cumbersome and confusing - at least in my first impression. We are wholly aware that seasons are reversed - and Cobra actually lives in the Southern Hemisphere. There is zero chance we don't know that - or "forgot" it. We used the most logical term - and if there is a better one you have not yet specified it.

Nevertheless - if you want to contribute instead of make critical noise to no purpose - you may make a constructive suggestion - freely - without limits or constraints. But you can hardly get Cobra and I to implement something the way you like by saying we are "to blame" for being wrong or trying to "shift blame" for our awful wrongness to someone else. We are responsible for what we decide to do. We are open to constructive suggestions about how to do it better. And IMHO we have yet to get anything wrong. Since the maps are posted - you may comment in detail - hex by hex. They have long been posted - and are just updated now.

The idea here is to say "one map is not a good simulation of all seasons" - and unless you agree with that - or can help us do multiple maps better - there is no point in commenting on this thread. We don't want to do many maps either - it is a great deal of work to do even one. [If you don't think so, try doing one]

[JeffroK]

Sid , everything that is wrong in your mod seems to be blamed on WITP, CHS or now, a board game.
 
Also, you dont seem to accept comments and take them all as personal criticism.  the original comments were a reminder that sthn hemisphere weather is different to the north, reply is cobra lives in the south so his maps will be right.  the map has little to do with it. They are Chrome which make playing the game more enjoyable, I have managed to stuff up some planetops/sides and they do not change the game one little bit.
 
It is the effect on movement and combat caused by the weather which affects the game.
 
You made the definitions of the seasons, the question was " Does the Southern hemishere suffer the same weather as you have defined" You are more interested in searching for hidden agendas than answering the question.
 
As to answering ANY thread, I dont see that you have any greater rights to posting your ill-informed and often incorrect posts than I do in my replies to them

[JeffroK]

PS  James Dunnigan wasnt the only designer of SPI's war in the Pacific, like your other research you havent got it right.

[el cid again]

You do seem to have a need to be personally critical. But like your other criticisms, you are wrong here. Apparently you do not read Latin as used in English very well. The reason I said Dunnigan et al is that I wanted to imply he had an entire team. Neither he nor I would ever say a "monster game" was the work or one person.

Not that I claim to have got everything right. Since I hope to produce a product near in time, I am not doing maximum effort research, nor documenting to scholarly standards. [We do verify information, but we are not producing vast listings pointing at how we do that - a process I found tripled the investment in time required when I did aircraft for CHS] I depend on the Forum and private parties to help identify problems. The subject scope of WITP is so vast that it will never be possible to get everything right - and the stated standard of RHS is "if it is better than what we now have, it is in" - not that it is the last word. This thread is about an attempt to introduce seasonal mapping. I detect very little interest on your part in helping to make that work - not the slightest hint that you have even identified a single problem with the concept as presented. It may be that I did not say that the seasons are reversed - but that has a good deal more to do with my high opinion of Forum members (who generally know that) than that I was trying to leave it out. If we find any seasonal effect in any area on a scale that affects hex coding, we will apply it in the appropriate season - of course.

If you do not cease mud slinging - and start saying something of a constructive sort - I will ignore you.

[m10bob]

Oft quoted, not often accepted:
There are three kinds of people in the world:
Those who make things happen
Those who watch things happen,
and those who say "What happened"?