info on german aces/me109

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The ME109 out number 5 to 1 or even more. and of the 35,000 made 20,000 were made in the last 12 months of the war. 50% of the former never made it to fight lost due to bombing, lack of fuel{setting on runways and at factory’s},poorly trained crew trying to land high speed aircraft on dirt ,mud ,snow runways no wonder 2,000 were lost in landing accidents like the spitfire narrow track landing gear. But 1 air group the JG52{including this man Hartman 352kills his first kill in 1942 shot down 7 times} clamed 20,000 kills during the war mostly in USSR.
ME 109 A very much under rated fighter {by western history} what most miss out on when looking at the history of the 109 is the planes air units were fitted to attack bombers like the me109g6 the most made of all me109sand then there were fighters types for just killing fighters like the me109g1-401mph in 1941 ,me109g5-409mph,me109g10-428mph,me109k4-440mph,me109k14-{455mph-over 5,000 feet a min climb}these were the ones shooting down all the planes only the spitfire later marks XIV and later could climb with the 109 no other allied fighter kept up with the
109 in climb and if you have height in battle you have speed over who ever you are fighting.

A list of all german aces of ww2

Erich Alfred Hartmann

(never lost a wingman
in 1456 missions)
352 *
Gerd Barkhorn
"Gerd"
Erich Gerhard Barkhorn
(1104 missions)
301


(621 missions)

275 * * Rall's 262 update
Otto "Bruno" Kittel

* Otto Kittel

(583 missions,
Top 190 Ace)

267 (KIA 16feb45) * *

"Nowi"

Walter Nowotny

(250 in 442 missions)!!!

258 (KIA 8nov44, Aus)
Willi Batz

Wilhelm Batz

(237 in 445 missions)
237 * *
Erich Rudorffer

(13 kills in 17 minutes)

224 (86 in the west) *
Heinz "Pritzl" Bar

"Pritzl"

Heinrich Bar


(125 in the west)

221 (16 w/a jet) * * * *
Herman Graf

(200 in 13 months)

212 (1st to 200) *
Heinrich Ehrler

(KIA 4apr45)

209 *


Theodor Weissenberger


208 * *
Hans Philipp
"Fips"

(KIA 8oct43)
206 * * * *
Walter Schuck


206 * * *
Toni Hafner

"Toni"

* Anton Hafner


(KIA 17oct44)

204 * *
Helmut Lipfert

203 *


"the Count Punski"
"Krupi"

Walter Krupinski

197 * * * * *
Anton Hackle

"Toni"
Anton Hackl
192 * * * *
Joachim Brendel

189
Max Stotz

"Max"
* Maximilian Stotz

189 (MIA 19aug43)
Joachim Kirschner

* Joachim Kirschner
188 (KIA '43) *
Kurt Brandle

* Kurt Hans Friedrich Brandle
180 (KIA 3nov43) *
Gunther Josten

178
Johannes "Macky" Steinhoff

Johannes Steinhoff

176 (interview) * *
Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert

174
Gunther Schack

174
Emil "Bully" Lang

(18 Kills in 1 day)
173 (KIA 3sep44)
Heinz "Johnny" Schmitt

"Johnny"

* Heinz Schmidt

173 (MIA 5sep43) *
Horst Ademeit

166 (MIA 7aug44)
Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke

162 (KIA 23mar44)
Hans-Joachim Marseille

"Jochen" the "Eagle of Africa"

* Hans-Joachim Marseille


(17 Kills in 1 day) * *

158 (KIFA 30sep42)
Heinrich Sturm

157 (KiFA 22dec44)
Gerhard "Gerd" Thyben
"Gerd"
Gerhard Thyben
157
Hans Beisswenger

152 (KIA 6mar43) *
Peter " Bonifaz" Duttmann
"Bonifaz"

Peter Duttmann
152
Gordon Gollob

(Scottish father
- McGollob)
150 *

Fritz Tegtmeier 146
* Albin Wolf 144 (+32 unconfimed, KIA 2apr44)
Kurt Tanzer 143
* "Tutti" Friedrich-Karl Muller 140 (KIA 29may44)
* Heinrich Setz 138 (KIA 13mar43)
Rudolf Trenkel 138
Walter Wolfrum 137
* Franz Schall 137 (KiFA 10apr45)
* Horst-Gunther von Fassong 136 (KIA 1jan45)
* Otto Fonnekold 136 (KIA 13aug44)
* Karl-Heinz Weber 136 (KIA 7jun44)
Adolf Dickfeld 136
* Joachim Muncheberg 135 (KIA 23mar43)*
* Hans Waldmann 134 (KiFA 18mar45)
Alfred Grislawski Alfred Grislawski 133
"Hannes" Johannes Wiese 133 (+75 probs)
Adolf Borchers 132
* Erwin Clausen 132 (KIA 4oct43)
* Wilhelm Lemke 131 (KIA 4dec43)
Herbert Ihlefeld 130 (7 from SCW)
* "Bazi" Heinrich Sterr

130 (KIA 26nov44)
Franz Eisenach 129
Walter Dahl 128 (36 4-engined bombers)
Franz Dorr 128
Friedrich Obleser 127
Rudolf Rademacher 126
* "Jupp" Josef Zwernemann 126 (KIA 8apr44)
* Freidrich Wachowiak 126 - 86 (KIA 16jul44)
"Dieter" Dietrich Hrabak 125
* Gerhard Hoffman 125 (MIA 17apr45)
* Walter Oesau 125 (KIA 11may44) *
* Wolf-Udo Ettel 124 ( KIA 17jul43)
* Wolfgang Tonne 122 (KIFA 20apr43) *
Heinz Marquardt 121



Top Night Fighter by Stan Stokes
"Top Night Fighter" by Stan Stokes



Heinz -Wolfgang Schnaufer


(claimed 9 Lancasters 21feb45)

121 (Top Nightfighter)


"Bazzi" Robert Weiss


121
* Erich Leie 118 (KIA 7mar45)
Franz-josef Beerenbrock 117
Hans-Joachim Birkner * Hans-Joachim Birkner

(in 284 missions

117 (KiFA 13dec44)
* Jakob Norz 117 (KiFA 16sep44)
* "Piepl" Heinz Wernicke 117 (KIA 27dec44)
* August Lambert 116 (KIA 17apr45)


"Vati" (Daddy)

* Werner Molders


(1st to 100) *
115 (14 from SCW, KIFA 22nov42)
Wilhelm Crinius 114
Werner Schroer Werner Schroer

(Kill rate 2nd only to Scheel)

114 (in197 missions)
* Hans Dammers 113 (WIA 13th D -17mar44)
* Berthold Korts 113 (MIA 29aug43)
"Bu-Mann" Kurt Buhlingen 112
* Helmut Lent 110 (102 at night)
* "Kuddel" Kurt Ubben 110 (KIA 27apr44)) *
Franz Woidich 110
Reinhard Seiler 109 (9 from SCW)
* Emil Bitsch 108 (KIA 15mar44)
"Assi" Hans Hahn 108
* Gunther Lutzow 108 (5 from SCW, KIA 24apr45)) *
Bernhard Vechtel 108
* Werner Lucas 106 (KIA 24oct43)
Viktor Bauer 106
Heinz Sachsenberg 104
Eberhard von Boremski 104 - 90
"Dolfo" "Mufti" Adolf Galland 103 (7 w/jets)
Siegfried Freytag 102 (career w/FFL after the war)
* Friedrich Geisshardt 102 (WIA 5th D - 6apr43))
* Egon Mayer 102 (KIA 2mar44)*
* Max-Hellmuth Ostermann 102 (KIA 9aug42)*
* "Sepp" Josef Wurmheller 102 (KIA 22jun44)*
Herbert Rollwage 102
* Rudolf Miethig 101 (KIA 10jun43)
Rudolf Mueller 101
"Pips" Josef Priller 101 (all in the West)
Ulrich Wernitz 101
Paul-Heinrich Daehne 100


Heinrich Bartels Heinrich Bartels 99 * *
Wolfgang Spaate 99
Horst Hannig 98
Gustav Roedel 98
Hans Schleef 98
Helmut Mertens 97
Dieter von Eichel-Streiber 96
Heinrich Hoefmeier 96
Franz Hrdlicka 96
"Wumm" Siegfried Lemke 96
Hermann Schleinghege 96
Leopold Muenster 95
Rudolf Resch 95
Siegfried Simsch 95
Anton Doebele 94
Heinrich Kloepper 94
"Paule" Edmund Rossmann 93
* "Wumm" Siegfried Schnell 93 *
Helmut Bennemann 92
*Gerhard Loos 92 (KIA 6mar44)
Oskar Romm 92
Anton Resch 91
Gunther Heeger 90
Lothar Mai 90
Georg Schentke 90
Lothar May 90-45

Heinz Kemethmueller 89
Anton Mader 86
Ulrich Woehnert 86
Gerhard Koeppen 85
Heinz Ewald 85
Walter Zellot 85
Peter Kalden 84
Werner Quast 84
Walter Ohlrogge 83
Prince Heinrich of Sayn-Wittgenstein * Prince Heinrich zu (of ) Sayn-Wittgenstein

German
(top ju-88 ace) *

83 (KIA 21jan44)

Otto Wessling 83
Hans Gruenberg 82
Emil Darjes 82
Hans Goetz 82
Horst Hasse 82
Helmut Missner 82
Franz Beyer 81
Hubertus von Bonin 81
Hugo Broch 81
Max-Hermann Luecke 81
Willi Nemitz 81
Wilhelm Philipp 81
Rudolf Wagner 81
Herbert Bachnick 80

TOP

Wolfgang Ewald 79
Otto Wuerfel 79
Georg-Peter Eder 78 (12 w/jets)
Heinrich Krafft 78
Karl-Gottfried Nordmann 78
Josef Haiboeck 77
Johannes-Hermann Meier 77
Hans-Joachim Kroschinski 76
Maximilian Mayerl 76
Alexander Preinfalk 76
Alfred Teumer 76
Edwin Theil 76
Herbert Huppertz 76-68
Johannes Bunzek 75
Helmut Grollmus 75
Karl Neumann 75
Johannes Pilcher 75
Hans Roehrig 75
Joachim Wandel 75
Gustav Fielinghaus 74
Otto Gaiser 74
Friedrich Haas 74
* Karl-Heinz Meltzer 74 - 35 (MIA 14aug43)
Anton Lindner 73
Gerhard Michalski 73
Otto Schultz 73
Klaus Mietusch 72
Wilhelm Mink 72
Karl-Heinz Schnell 72
"Addi" Adolf Glunz 72-71
Hans Fuss 71
Alfred Heckmann 71
Gunther Scheel

Gunther Scheel


(highest kills per mission ratio)

71 (in 70 missions !!)


Hans-Heinrich Doebrich 70
Heinz Gossow 70
Karl Hoffmann 70
* Hermann-Friedrick Joppien 70 (KIA 25aug41)*
Herbert Lange 70
Rudolf Linz 70
Emil Omert 70
Rudolf Richter 70
Helmut Rueffler 70
Ernst Suss 70

Focke-Wulf Fw190A-3 of 14/JG5 by JJ Boucher
Focke-Wulf 190 A3 by Jerry Boucher

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Armin Koehler 69
Ernst Weissmann 69
Eugen-Ludwig Zweigart 69
Kurt Dombacher 68
Walter Hoeckner 68
Heinrich Jung 68
Herbert Kaiser 68
Richard Lepple 68
Fritz Losigkeit 68
Gunther von Maltzahn 68
Hans Streloew 68
Otto Tange 68
Karl-Heinz Langer 68-30
Gustav Denk 67
Fritz Dinger 67
Herbert Findeisen 67
* Karl Fuchs 67 (KIA 10oct43)
Erbo Graf von Kageneck 67
Franz Scheiss 67
Franz Schwaiger 67
Hubert Strassl 67
Erwin Fleig 66
Reinhold Hoffmann 66
Werner Strieb (Streib) 67 - 60
Franz Czech 65
Heinrich Fuellgrabe 65
Berthold Grassmuck 65
Karl-Heinz Kempf 65
* Manfred Meurer 65 (KIA '44)
Waldemar Semelka 65
Bernd Gallowitsch 64
Juergen Harder 64
Rolf Hermichen 64
Walter Lindner 64
Viktor Petermann 64
Franz Ruhl 64
Walter Borchers 63
Franz Goetz 63
Karl Hammerl 63
Heinrich Hoffmann 63
Gerhard Homuth 63
Hermann Staiger 63
Kurt Welter

Kurt Welter


(highest scoring JET Ace
w/ 26 +4 prob kills) * *

63 (in 93 missions, 56 night)


Wilhelm Hubner 62
Helmut Neumann 62
Hannes Trautloft 61-57
Hans-Ekkehard Bob 60-59
Gerhard Beutin 60
* Horst Carganico 60 (KIA 27may44)*
August Mors 60
"Fox" Karl Munz 60
Alfred Rauch 60
Kurt Tangermann 60
Walter Wever 60

TOP

* Franz Eckerle 59 (KIA 14feb42)*
Alfred Franke 59
* "Fifi" Hans-Arnold Stahlschmidt 59 (MIA 7sep42)
Karl Steffen 59

Messerschmitt Me 262
Hermann Buchner Hermann Buchner

(worlds first kill w/a jet)

58 (+48 tanks &?)*

Lutz-Wilhelm Burckhardt 58
Siegfried Engfer 58
Wilhelm Freuworth 58
Herbert Friebel 58
Hans-Joachim Langer 58
Heinz-Wilhelm Ahnert 57
Walter Brandt 57
Herbert Broennle 57
Hugo Dahmer 57
Heinrich Dittlmann 57
Kurt Ebener 57
Adolf Kalkum 57
Johannes Seifurt 57
Edmund Wagner 57
Hermann Wolf 57
Herbert Bareuter 56
Helmut-Felix Bolz 56
Alfred Burk 56
Manfred Eberwein 56
Heinrich Hackler 56
Isken Herrmann 56
Helmut Holtz 56
Eduard Isken 56
Helmut Schoenfelder 56
Gunther Seeger 56
* Helmut Wick 56 (MIA 28nov40)*

TOP
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"Wutz"

* Wilhelm-Ferdinand Galland


(Dolfo's brother)

55 (KIA 17aug43 by Bud Mahurin



Erich Hohagen 55
Gabriel Tautscher 55
Johann Badum 54
Wilhelm Balthasar 54
Karl-Heinz Bendert 54
Wilhelm Hauswirth 54
Kurt Knappe 54
Heinz Leber 54
Herbert Puschmann 54
* Hans Reiff 54 - 48 (KIA 2dec44)
Franz-K Barten 53
Heinz-Edgar Berres 53
Albert Brunner 53
Hans-Joachim Heyer 53
Julius Meimberg 53
Friedrich Rupp 53
Karl Sattig 53
"Willy" Wilhelm Kientsch 53 - 52
Heine Cordes 52
Hans Ehlers 52
Alfred Gross 52
Ludwig Hafner 52
Rudolf Pflanz 52
Heinrich Wefers 52
Heinz Knoke 52-44
* Egmont Prinz zu Lippe-Weissenfeld 51 (KIA '44)
Rudolf Schmidt 51
* Otto Schultz 51 (KIA 17june42 by Edwards)
Walter Duellberg 50
Hans-Joachim Jabs 50
Emil Knittel 50
Frank Lisendahl 50
Fritz Lueddecke 50
*Wilhelm Schilling 50 (KIA 20feb44)
Fritz Schroeter 50
Karl Willius 50
Helmut Merkel 50-25
Special Delivery by Keith Ferris
"Special Delivery" by Keith Ferris

TOP

Rudolf Ehrenberger 49
Klaus Quaet-Faslem 49
Fredrich Beckh 48
Peter Seigler 48
Heinz-Gerhard Vogt 48
Oskar Zimmermann 48
Heinz Golinski 47
Gunther Hannack 47
Eckhard Hubner 47
Fritz Karch 47
Herbert Kutscha 47
* Georg Seidel 47 (KIA 6mar43)
Gunther Ruebell 47
Erich Schmidt 47
Werner Stumpf 47
Wolfgang Boewing-Trueding 46
Gunther Fink 46
Rudiger Kirchmayr 46
Erwin Laskowski 46
Hans-Karl Mayer 46
Gunther Rammelt 46
"Quax" Karl Schnorrer 46
Franz Schulte 46
Alfred Surau 46
Ernst Borngen 45
Ernst Druenkler 45
Juergen Brocke 45
Ernst-Erich Hirschfeld 45
* Wilhelm Kuken 45 (K 2apr45)
Karl-Wolfgang Redlich 45
Gerhard Schopfel 45
TOP

Hans Frese 44
Juergen Hoerschelmann 44
Wilhelm Hofmann 44
Reinhold Knacke 44
Walter Matoni 44
Wilhelm Moritz 44
Richard Quante 44
Wilhelm Steinmann 44
Otto Vinzent 44
Karl Boris 43
Ludwig Franzisket 43
Kurt Goltzsch 43
Alois Lechner 43
Hubert Muetherich 43
Josef "Josi" Pohs 43
Paul Stolte 43
Rudolf Klemm 42
Emil Reinhard 42
* Herbert Schramm 42 (KIA 1dec43)
Robert Olejnik 41
Johannes Schmidt 41
Gerhard Schneider 41
Heinz Arnold 40
* Rudolf Busch 40 (KIA 17jan43)
Karl Boehm-Fettelbach 40
Peter Bremer 40
Wolf-Dietrich Huy 40
Wolfgang Neuhoff 40
Gerhard Schoepfel 40
Georg Seckel 40
Gunther Steinhausen 40
* Hermann Segatz 40 - 31 (KIA 8mar44)

TOP

Heinz Bretnuetz 39
Eckart-Wilhelm von Bonin 39
Alfons Klein 39
Kurt Lasse 39
Bernhard Lausch 39
Dietrich Schmidt 39
Georg Seelmann 39
Rudolf Sinner 39
Fritz Stendel 39
* Robert Fuchs 39 - 22 (MIA 22oct41)
Hans Dortenmann 38
Pepi Gabl 38
Walter Loos 38
Stefan Litjens 38
Theodore Osterkamp 38(32 WWI)
Detler Rohwer 38
Erwin Sawallisch 38
Wolfgang Schellmann 38
Kurt Sochatzky 38
Gerhard Koall 37
Karl-Heinz Leesmann 37
Klaus Neumann 37
Waldemar Radener 37 (+14prob)
Wolfgang Traft 37
Helmut Belser 36
Helmut Bergmann 36
Georg Keil 36
Friedrich Koerner 36
Elias Kuehlein 36
Herbert Wehnelt 36
Hans Weik 36
Fuelbert Zink 36
Gunther Bertram 35
Graf Heinrich von Einsiedel 35
August Luy 35
Bruno Stolle 35
? Ulbrich 35+ - 33
* Joachim Hamer 35 - 30 (MIA 3sep43)

TOP

Paul Brandt 34
Hans von Hahn 34
Heinz-Horst Hissbach 34
Wilhelm Johnen 34
Karl Kennel 34
Johannes Naumann 34
Karl-Heinz Plucker 34
Herbert Schob 34
Walter Stengel 34
Horst Tietzen 34
Helmut Wettstein 34
Heinz Beyer 33
Harro Harder 33
Erwin Leykauf 33
Wolfgang Lippert 33
Waldemar Soffing 33
Hans Stechmann 33
Ferdinand Vogel 33
* Hugo Frey 32 (KIA 6mar44)
Rudolf Glockner 32
Joachim Hacker 32
Werner Husemann 32
Werner Machold 32
Gunther Specht 32
Gerhard Weigand 32
* Ralph Furch 32 - 30 (KIA 22jan43)
Peter Crump 31
Carl von Lieres 31
Hermann Seegatz 31
Gustav Sprick 31
Alfred Seidl 31 - 10

TOP

Erich Bartz 30
Max Bucholz 30
Gerhard Friedrich 30
Josef Foezoe 30
Werner Gerth 30
Friedrich Heimann 30
* Harry Koch 30 (KIA 22dec43)
Rudolf Pingel 30
Walter Adolph 29
Otto Bertram 29
Franz Blazytko 29
* Hermann Leiste 29 (KIA 8jun42)
Paul Szameitat 29
Heinrich Wohlers 29
Ernst Andres 28
Anton Benning 28 (18 were 4-engined bombers)
Hans-Joachim Heinecke 28
August Luebking 28
Helmut Pfueller 28
Willi Reschke 28
Franz Stigler 28
Hermann Wischniewski 28
Gunther Bleckmann 27
Emil Claude 27
Kurt Ebersberger 27
Fritz Gromotka 27
Anton Hoerwick 27
Hans Kolbow 27
Wilhelm Mayer 27
Horst Petzchler 27
Otto Russ 27
Werner Thierfelder 27
Friedrich Dahn 26
"Martello"Alfred Hammer 26
Hans Knauth 26
* Raimund Koch 26 (KIFA 2nov44)
Anton-Rudolf Piffer 26
Hans Remmer 26
Willi Reschke 26
Peter Werfft 26
* Egon Albrecht 25 (KIA 25aug44, Brazilian born)
Otto Bach 25 (KIA 26nov44)
? Bellof 25
Walter Engel 25
? Flogel 25
August Kayser 25
Fritz Liebelt 25
Arnold Lignitz 25
Emil Schact 25
Karl Stadek 25
Gunther Stedtfeld 25
Eckehard Tichy 25
Horst Walter 25
Karl Wuensch 25
Franz-Josef Zoufahl 25
Rudi Zwesken 25
Focke-Wulf Fw190C-V18 by JJ Boucher
Focke-Wulf Fw190C-V18 by JJ Boucher

TOP

Emil Babenz 24
Harry von Bulow-Bothcamp 24(6 WWI)
Helmut Dahms 24
Helmut Hoppe 24
Karl Hulshoff 24
Hannes Keller 24
Hans-Heinrich Koenig 24
Florian Salwender 24
Klaus Scheer 24
Wolfgang Thimmig 24
Hans-Gerd Wennekers 24
Arnold Doering 23
Herbert Koch 23
Hans Pragen 23
August Schneider 23
Leo Schumacher 23
Horst Sternberg 23
Helmut Viedebantt 23
Gunther Landt 23-22
Artur Beese 22
Heinz Busse 22
Rudolf Dassow 22
Reinhold Eckardt 22
Herbert Kroh 22
Otto Mayer 22
Robert Menge 22
Erhard Peters 22
Rolf-Peter Pringle 22
Hans Richter 22
Guenter Scholz 22
* Friedrich Simon 22 (MIA 9mar45)
Hans-Joachim Steffens 22
Willi Unger 22
Hans-Juergen Westphal 22
Rolf Kaldrack 21
Horst Reuter 21
Johannes Schalk 21
Robert Spreckles 21
Heinrich Steis 21
* Franz von Werra 21 (POW '40 esc. from Canada, KIA 25oct41)
Maximilian Winkler 21
Robert Wolf 21
David Wollmann 21
Rudolf Artner 20
Paul Becker 20
Erich Gerlitz 20
Hans Hahn 20
Werner Haugk 20
Gunther Heckmann 20
Harald Jung 20
Lothar Keller 20
Johannes Kiel 20
Georg Munderloh 20
Willi Roth 20
Gerhard Schaschke 20
Paul Schauder 20
Erich Scheyda 20
Walter Schneider 20
Gerhard Schwartz 20
Gerhard Sommer 20
Wilhelm Spiess 20
Hans Tetzner 20
Hans Udet 20
Gotthard Handrick 20 -15 (1936 Olympic Pentathlon Champion)
* Helmut Baudach 20+ - 5 (KIA 22feb45)

TOP

Georg Christl 19
Hans Dipple 19
Karl-Heinz Krahl 19
Peter Reischer 19
Winifried Schmidt 19
Hermann Sommer 19
Fritz Stritzel 19
Oscar Boesch 18
Adolf Breves 18
Rudi Dueding 18
Heinz Ebeling 18
Hannes Gentzen 18
Gunther Gerhard 18
Hermann Grabmann 18
Erich Groth 18
Helmut Haugk 18
Kurt Holler 18
Kurt Matzak 18
Eduard Meyer 18
Walter Meyer 18
Hans Peterburs 18
Wolfgang Schenk 18
Ernst Scheufele 18
Heinz Schumann 18
Friedrich-Wilhelm Stakejahn 18
Alfred Wehmeyer 18
Dietrich Weinitschke 18
Joachim Blechschmidt 17
* Paul Galland 17 (KIA 31oct42 (Dolfo's other brother)
Peter Jenne 17
Theodore Rossiwall 17
Horst Ulenberg 17
* Werner Cohrs 17 - 15 (KIA 11jun44)
* Erich Simon 17 - 15 (KIA 7oct43)
Arthur Beth 16
Erich Demuth 16
Heinrich Dreisbach 16
Georg Fengler 16
* Hans-Joachim Hartwein 16 (MIA 21aug42)
Rudolf Huebl 16
Heinz Mahikuch 16
Conny Meyer 16
Erich Mix 16(3 WWI)
Karl Wenschelmeyer 16
Ulrich Diesing 15
Hermann Guhl 15
Richard Heller 15
* Hans-Gunther Koch 15 (KIA 3apr45)
Josef Kunz 15
Fritz Sengschmidt 15
Gunther Tonne 15-20
Waldemar Wuebke 15
He162 by unknown
"Jet Interceptors" by Nicolas Trudgian

That's Herbert Ihlefeld's personal He162 ‘White 23’

TOP

Sophuu Baagoe 14
Heinz Birk 14
Walter Blume 14
Felix-M Brandis 14
Wendelin Bruekel 14
Albert Espenlaub 14
Wilhelm Gath 14
Georg "Schorsch" Kraft 14
Hans Witzel 14
Hermann Foerster 13
Werner Gayko 13
Werner Gerhard 13
Heinz Halstrick 13
Emil Kaiser 13
Gunther Kelch 13
Willi Kothmann 13
Eduard Neumann 13 - 10
Joachim Schlichting 13
* Andreas Hartl 13 - 11 (KIA 8apr44)
Johann Aistleitner 12
Jakob Augustin 12 (+?)
Xaver Ellenrieder 12
Gerhard Gleuwitz 12
Heinz Gomann 12
Erich Javer 12
Gerhard Kepler 12
Eduard Koslowski 12
Erich Krainik 12
Franz Kunz 12
Johannes Lutter 12
Ernst Maak 12
Karl-Heinrich Matern 12
Erhardt Meek 12
Heinz Nacke 12
Wolfgang Neu 12
Hans niederhoefer 12
Heinrich Rosenberg 12
Wolfgang Rost 12
Ludwig Scharf 12
Johannes Schmidt 12
Erich Schoefbock 12
Franz Weinhausen 12
Peter Ahrens 11
Walter Fieser 11
Joachim Gunther 11
Wilhelm Hachfeld 11
Engelbert Heiner 11
Freidrich Hoffman 11
Georg Kiefner 11
Wolfgang Kosse 11
Herbert Krenz 11
* Erwin Leibold 11 (K 1942)
Siegfried Ney 11
Gunther Reubell 11

Hans Rudel Hans-Ulrich Rudel 11
Heinz Seidel 11
August Schneider 11
Erich Schwarz 11
Hans Vollett 11
Joseph Buerschgens 10
Hans Berschwinger 10
Gunther Bloemertz 10
Josef Burschgens 10
August Fischer 10
Heinz de Fries 10
Eugen von Geinanth 10
Viktor Gruber 10
Gerhard Guttmann 10
Ludwig Hartmann 10
Alfred Jacobi 10
Eberhard Kaross 10
Ernst Klager 10
Hans Klein 10
Wilhelm Mueller 10
Karl Pfeiffer 10
Werner Schumacher 10
Gunther Schwanecke 10
Hans Stolinberger 10
Karl Strohecker 10
Franz Stuckler 10
Robert Unzeitig 10
Siegfried Wandam 10
Emil Woltersdorf 10

TOP

Bruno Buzzi 9
Ernst Christof 9
Edgar Doerre 9
Heinz Hanke 9
Kurt Hermann 9 (POW 10mar41)
"Hajo" Hans-Joachim Herrmann 9
Kurt Jenisch 9
Heinz Krug 9
Rudolf Leuschel 9
Wilhelm Makrocki 9
Arthur Mendl 9
Horst Oberlander 9
Hugo Schneider 9
Gerhard Schulwitz 9
Willi Szuggar 9
"Hadi" Hans-Dieter Weihs 9
Heinfried Wiegand 9
Alexander von Winterfelt 9
Josef Zirngibl 9
Lorenz Andreson 8
* Jens Bahnsen 8 (KIA 19aug43)
Georg Beyer 8
Heinrich Beirwirth 8
Erwin Busch 8
Herbert Buttner 8 (POW 28uag44)
Wolfgang Falck 8
Deiter Gerhard 8
Alfred Heidl 8
Kurt Hein 8
Hermann Hoffmann 8
Ernst Jackel 8
Hans Johanssen 8
Friedrich Lang 8
Heinz Lennartz 8
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[38special]

I think you could develop ace rules for wif.

For example: if the lead ftr in an attack kills an enemy plane then it gains 1 pt towards ace status. If it ever gets to 5 pts then this ftr is +1 in all combats, if it should ever get to 10 pts it would be +2 in all combats.

I have play tested this and I have seen a few units get to 5 pts, always German.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: 38special

I think you could develop ace rules for wif.

For example: if the lead ftr in an attack kills an enemy plane then it gains 1 pt towards ace status. If it ever gets to 5 pts then this ftr is +1 in all combats, if it should ever get to 10 pts it would be +2 in all combats.

I have play tested this and I have seen a few units get to 5 pts, always German.

This is the kind of thing that bringing the game to computer would allow. Having the experience of combat has effect on units.
This should also be possible for all other units, land units, ships, etc... but should be capped for example at +3, as if it was a system of stars. 1 star, 2 stars, 3 stars.
Well, it won't be for MWiF1 I guess, too much work left to finish it, but we can dream upon improvements like this one for the future ! [:'(]

[NeBert]

Yes, things liks this were not possible without computer.
Maybe another idea would be to have some kind of training (e.g. with longer production time) or accelerated production (with less experiance) like the Germans and Japanese did at the end of the war.
Especially the fighters were a good example for the strong impact of good training - german pilots had to face their enemy after some 10 flight hours on the ´109 in 1944-45.

I also agree that this should be a later upgrade of the game.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: NeBert
Maybe another idea would be to have some kind of training (e.g. with longer production time) or accelerated production (with less experiance) like the Germans and Japanese did at the end of the war.
Especially the fighters were a good example for the strong impact of good training - german pilots had to face their enemy after some 10 flight hours on the ´109 in 1944-45.

Accelerated training, what a wonderfull thing if it was part of MWiF !
For example : 1 turn less to build (same cost), and 1 less in primary ability. [:D]

... *dreaming* ...

[composer99]

I might suggest 2 less, as otherwise the UFOs like the ME262 would not be sufficiently penalized for such a massive decrease in the time they take to build.
 
If you were playing with pilots this mod would require two pools of pilots - regularly trained pilots and rapidly trained pilots (so it would be the pilots rather than the planes that got the shorter production time).

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: composer99

I might suggest 2 less, as otherwise the UFOs like the ME262 would not be sufficiently penalized for such a massive decrease in the time they take to build.

If you were playing with pilots this mod would require two pools of pilots - regularly trained pilots and rapidly trained pilots (so it would be the pilots rather than the planes that got the shorter production time).

My suggestion was targeted at pilots in fact.

[composer99]

My suggestion was targeted at pilots in fact.

 
Ah, must have misunderstood you there.