Tommorrow ...

[christof139]

Tommorrow I might load and play FoF on my new compooter, great GeForce PX6800 TDH Graphics card, only had 256MB DDR and not DDR2 or 3 as later versions of the card gave, but it is still fast with other very good attributes. Still need 2 more GB of RAM too, and soon I will get that. new compooter stays off the inet and is for games etc. only. Old compooter is for old stuff like the inet, you can tell from the same old stuff I am posting with it.

Good night and pleasanter dreams from Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, Chris, the ACW Geheim Statts Polzei.

PS: Mr. Roger's is a former SEAL with about 20 or so confirmed VC/NLF and/or NVA/PAVN kills, and Capt. kangaroo was Lee marvin's perhaps Top, company Sergeant major or some Sergeant rank at Iwo Jima. At Suribachi both were awarded the Navy Cross. Lee Marvin got shot in the buttocks, and he says he still doesn't know why he got the NC. Lee Marvin has a great sense of humor. My old neighbor and friend, Earl from Kentucky, now long past, was on Iwo. He was a nice, friendly, and good guy. Mr. Green Jeans and Poop-Deck Paw are OK too, but Tugboat Annie is/was a bit of a trip.

[cdbeck]

Wait... so Captain Kangaroo was not, indeed, a Captain?

*cries himself to sleep*

Son of Montfort

[Maurym]

Well...part of the story is correct...they (Marvin & Keeshan - the Capt.) were both Marines during World War 2. Marvin got the Purple Heart for action on Saipan...Keeshan never saw combat.

http://www.snopes.com/military/marvin.asp

[06 Maestro]

I was watching the old Johnny Carson Show when Lee Marvin spoke about Keeshan.  Marvin did say that Keeshan was the bravest man he had ever known.  According to my memory banks, he mentioned them both serving on Iwo.  Perhaps he was in error, but it is still interesting in how such meekly appearing men could have such a history.  Now, Lee Marvin's history is a little easier to believe.

[Maurym]

Marvin did in fact make that statement (see the link)...but apparently it was a joke. I've seen this story around for years. The real gotcha is Keeshan didn't join the Marines until after the battle and Marvin was wounded on Saipan before the battle. Still both were Marines, during WW2 and Marvin did get the Purple Heart.

The battle = Iwo Jima

[Maurym]

Here's another site:
 
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/keeshan.htm
 

[06 Maestro]

The story about Mr Rodgers was always a little hard to swallow.
Thanks for the info.

[Jeff Norton]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

The story about Mr Rodgers was always a little hard to swallow.
Thanks for the info.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl-mr-rogers.htm may shed some light on that....

I grew up in Pittsburgh, have met Fred, and, he really never commented on it. When four guys in our town died in VN in the same week (one was my cousin) in 1968, Fred Rogers came to our school, talked with us, and did help ease our pain.

Its a good feeling when your child watched many of the same episodes that I did as a boy. Fred Rogers was a very good man and teacher.

[hedererp]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

I was watching the old Johnny Carson Show when Lee Marvin spoke about Keeshan.  Marvin did say that Keeshan was the bravest man he had ever known.  According to my memory banks, he mentioned them both serving on Iwo.  Perhaps he was in error, but it is still interesting in how such meekly appearing men could have such a history.  Now, Lee Marvin's history is a little easier to believe.

Audie Murphy bears out this theory. I don't think bravery or heroism come in any particular package.

Paul

[christof139]

Awwwww, the Capt. was a Sgt. and not at Iwo. I wonder if Mr. Green Jeans was in the Hurtgen or Hurtegen Forrest (sorry, for not languages to put the umlaut in)?? That's rocky ground for a garden.

Several of my highschool friends and aquaintances died in Vietnam. I was in 1970-73, but luckily went to Germany, where things were also blown up by terrorists in 1972.

Chris-karoo

[Missouri_Rebel]

My old neighbor, Mr. H. Sampson, fought in Africa, then Italy, wnt ashore Omaha Beach D-Day +4  (i think) and fought through the bocage befor being in the Hurtegan Forest and then the buldge. From there he went all the way into Germany.  The man has seen some stuff to say the least. When I asked him about what haunted him the most he said it was the bodies being bulldozed on the beach when he landed. (back when I was too stupid not to know not to ask questions.)He was a sgt. and platoon leader in the 169th? I think. Would have to look to be sure. I am almost positive it was the 9th ID but I could be mistaken about that too. Have to look. Another neighbor R. Baum was in a Liberator? and eventually shot down and was German P.O.W. He and a couple of his crewmates just happened upon an article one wrote in a newspaper and contacted the other, both thinking each died. The details of their conversations and letters, catching up on what had happened during that fateful mission, was compiled to make some intresting reading. I still have it somewhere. It blew my mind.  Mr. Baum was the last out and nearly perished.

sorry to hijack the tread. Just thought ya'll might like to know. That and their names need mentioning.

mo reb
  

    He used to tell me some stories. They all started with,'Boy, you want to hear a gotcha?'

[christof139]

My old neighbor, Mr. H. Sampson, fought in Africa, then Italy, wnt ashore Omaha Beach D-Day +4 (i think) and fought through the bocage befor being in the Hurtegan Forest and then the buldge. From there he went all the way into Germany. The man has seen some stuff to say the least. When I asked him about what haunted him the most he said it was the bodies being bulldozed on the beach when he landed. (back when I was too stupid not to know not to ask questions.)He was a sgt. and platoon leader in the 169th? I think. Would have to look to be sure. I am almost positive it was the 9th ID but I could be mistaken about that too. Have to look. Another neighbor R. Baum was in a Liberator? and eventually shot down and was German P.O.W. He and a couple of his crewmates just happened upon an article one wrote in a newspaper and contacted the other, both thinking each died. The details of their conversations and letters, catching up on what had happened during that fateful mission, was compiled to make some intresting reading. I still have it somewhere. It blew my mind. Mr. Baum was the last out and nearly perished.

sorry to hijack the tread. Just thought ya'll might like to know. That and their names need mentioning.

mo reb


He used to tell me some stories. They all started with,'Boy, you want to hear a gotcha?'


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God Save The South

For every flag that comes down, 10,000 go up!
Deo Vindice!!

Yeah, that would most likely be the 9th ID. One of its Regts. was the very famous 39th Inf. Regt. the 2, 3, and 4th Bns./39th IR served in the 9th ID, III Corps, in Vietnam in the Delta, and the 1/39 was in Germany with the 2nd Bde. of the 8th ID, V Corps, 7th Army, USAEUR, CENTAG, NATO.

Violence can happen anywhere, and does, and it's good not to be violated. [:)]

christof139, AAA-0

God save the Union!! The ACW ended in 1865. Most Missourians were pro-Union. Many Southerners were pro-Union and voted against Secession, such as most of the Shehendoah Valley people etc., and they only fought against the Union because their States decided to secede and they realized that their States would be invaded. It was a very tragic war, as are all wars. Slavery was the root cause of the ACW, although their were other issues those issues would have been solved without war. Human bondage was wrong, but that was the minset back then, Victorian Era racism based on concepts of racial superiority and 'The White man's burden.', a bunch of bunk, but that eas the way it was, and I am glad it is different today.

[Missouri_Rebel]

The ACW ended in 1865

True. But I don't look in the past as much as to the future.

Most Missourians were pro-Union

Yeah. St.louis did indeed have a lot of german immigrants at the time. What is your point?

Many Southerners were pro-Union and voted against Secession, such as most of the Shehendoah Valley people etc.

Again, your point is what?

and they only fought against the Union because their States decided to secede and they realized that their States would be invaded.

Yeah. Seems a pretty darn good reason to fight to me. Much like Missouri was invaded and a state of war declared against it. Under martial law.

Slavery was the root cause of the ACW

Slavery was the reason the South left. The root cause of the war was the federal governments desire to press it back into the...er...um...union.

Human bondage was wrong.....and I am glad it is different today.

That we can agree on. As soon as the north won there was no more racism and it was a utopian paradise for all. Yeah right. Illinois still has Sunset Laws on it's books. The north's claims are a little tarnished when one presents some of the many facts of reality. Tell me about all that racial harmony in Detroit.
By the way son, loving the South is bred in me and means hatred of none. Except for little pukes cow-towing to a imperialistic, centralized government that has lost it's purpose and is ever becoming a banana republic.

See you on the other side.

[christof139]

What's your point??

Sounds like you want to go to war again, and are living in the past, rather than the present and not looking to the future.

The Union forever, hurrah boys hurrah!! ...

[christof139]

That we can agree on. As soon as the north won there was no more racism and it was a utopian paradise for all. Yeah right. Illinois still has Sunset Laws on it's books. The north's claims are a little tarnished when one presents some of the many facts of reality. Tell me about all that racial harmony in Detroit.
By the way son, loving the South is bread in me and means hatred of none. Except for little pukes cow-towing to a imperialistic, centralized government that has lost it's purpose and is ever becoming a banana republic.

See you on the other side.


< Message edited by Missouri_Rebel -- 3/1/2007 1:55:18 AM >

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God Save The South

For every flag that comes down, 10,000 go up!
Deo Vindice!!

Ohhh, I didn't see this. Well sonny boy, there will never be racial harmony in the world nor any other perfect utopian paradise because of people with your attitude.

BTW, I was in Detroit during the 1967 Riots, and Civil Rights was the underlying cause but there were few racial incidents and the riots did not start over a racial incident, and once they started both white and blacxck people looted, even in mixed gangs. It was a very sad mess. At that time the Vietnam War wa in full swing and that had a lot to do with the situation as a lot of people from here were in the miltary back then, michigan had the 7th highest number of dead in the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and WWII. West Virginia had the highest per capita death toll of any State in our Union.

Yeah, the riots were actually termed 'an armed insurrection against the Government of the Unied States', so that shoulld make you happy as you seem very anti-US Government. There were political radicals enteriing the City of Detroit from other areas, and along with the political radicals from within the city, organized sniping occurred, and there were some heavy duty gun fights, automatic weapons fire going both ways, M-60's being used form choppers, tanks firing, and about 50 tanks were moved into the city, along with M113 APCs, armored cars, thousands of State and local Police, about 8,000 or more MAGs (National Guard), and 7 Bns. of Airborne troops from 2 Brigades of the 82nd AB and 101st AB/AM Divisions, and all were Federallized and Martial law was indeed declared. So yes, it was a mess, and very sad to have occurred and witnessed.

There will probably always be religous, political and racial etc. intolerance in our world, so it unfortunately seems.

So, go fight the war all over agian with yourself.

Have a good day, Chris

[Missouri_Rebel]

Point? Just trying to clear up some of your misconceptions as you replied to my post. Seems people need to gather their facts a bit before running their mouths/.keyboard, hence this thread.

Want some more reasons for the way people felt here in Missouri.

"Rather than concede to the State of Missouri for one single instant the right to dictate to my government in any matter, however unimportant; I will see you, and you, and you and every man, woman and child in the State of Missouri dead and buried." Brig. Gen Nathaniel Lyon, US

Sounds like you want to go to war again,

A war? no. no. I don't want war. Look at you Yankee. Already talkin bout war. Sheesh.

mo reb

[Missouri_Rebel]

there will never be racial harmony in the world nor any other perfect utopian paradise because of people with your attitude.

Woah. Wait a minute. Can you point to where I stated resentment towards another race. Don't you dare paint me with that broad brush. But then again it looks as if you rely on misinformation and half-truths anyway.I was merely pointing out the obvious, but lost on you. You speak your opinions yet get ruffled up when someone doesn't agree with you. So,any more conversation would be a lost cause. No pun intended.

peace,
mo reb

[christof139]

Point? Just trying to clear up some of your misconceptions as you replied to my post. Seems people need to gather their facts a bit before running their mouths/.keyboard, hence this thread.

Want some more reasons for the way people felt here in Missouri.

"Rather than concede to the State of Missouri for one single instant the right to dictate to my government in any matter, however unimportant; I will see you, and you, and you and every man, woman and child in the State of Missouri dead and buried." Brig. Gen Nathaniel Lyon, US

quote:

Sounds like you want to go to war again,
A war? no. no. I don't want war. Look at you Yankee. Already talkin bout war. Sheesh.

mo reb

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God Save The South

For every flag that comes down, 10,000 go up!
Deo Vindice!!

Well, I know for a fact that ALL and MOST people in Missouri don't feel as you do. And that's a fact.

Number two, you talk as if you are fighting the war all over again.

Number three, you started name-calling, which actually doesn't bother me and I find it funny MO-Reb, and yes I am a Yankeefrom Detroit and we are all Yankees now if you haven't noticed, and that is why the Imperial Japanese, the Chicoms, and VC and NVA etc. used to yell 'Yankee you die!', just ask some Missourians that were in the Military during any of those wars. Fortunately, now, those people only yell 'Yankee you buy!'

Sheeesh, you are living in the past and not aware of much.

Chris

[christof139]

Woah. Wait a minute. Can you point to where I stated resentment towards another race. Don't you dare paint me with that broad brush. But then again it looks as if you rely on misinformation and half-truths anyway.I was merely pointing out the obvious, but lost on you. You speak your opinions yet get ruffled up when someone doesn't agree with you. So,any more conversation would be a lost cause. No pun intended.

peace,
mo reb

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God Save The South

For every flag that comes down, 10,000 go up!
Deo Vindice!!

Woah. Wait a minute. I didn't say you were a racist, I just said that people like you contirbute to problems with your type of attitude.

God save the Union.

[christof139]

"Rather than concede to the State of Missouri for one single instant the right to dictate to my government in any matter, however unimportant; I will see you, and you, and you and every man, woman and child in the State of Missouri dead and buried." Brig. Gen Nathaniel Lyon, US

Yes, Lyon wasn't playing games was he. His remarks were similar and made in reply to Secessionist remarks. Unfortuantely, those things occurred in the ACW duirng the 'civil war within a civil war' in Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, east Tennessee and other places, and those things do occur in wars. And ALL and MOST people in Missouri don't think or feel as you do. Tis why most Missourians sided with the Union, not even considering the German immigrants in St. Louis.

You are the one that gets ruffled.

Chris