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FOLLOWING SETTINGS
ONE DAY TURNS
FOG OF WAR ON
SUB DOC JAPAN OFF /ALLIES ON
HISTORICAL 1ST TURN OFF
DEC 7TH SUPRISE ON
AUTO UPGRADES OFF
AUTO REPLACEMENTS OFF
AUTO SUB AND CONVOY your choice
FIRST TURN ALLIED MAY MOVE ONLY ALREADY CREATED TFS AND ANYTHING CHINESE
JAPAN MAY MAKE ONLY ONE PORT ATTACK TURN ONE
+/- 15 DAY REINFORCEMENTS
WEATHER EFFECTS ON
USER DEFINED UPGRADES ON
ALLIED DAMAGE ON
=======================HOUSE RULES =================
PLAYERS MAY ONLY AMPHIB WITHIN LB AIR NORMAL RANGE AND OR 150 CARRIER AIRCRAFT IN NORMAL RANGE
NO MORE THAN 6 SHIPS IN ASW TF
NO SUB BASED INVASIONS
Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath
RE: Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
7 Dec 1941
Seems to have been a typical turn one with the following exceptions and comments...
TF 1013 encounters mine field at Merak (19,59)
Never seen this mined this soon [&:]
Allied Ships
DD Van Nes
DD Evertsen
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
D3A2 Val x 137
B5N2 Kate x 157
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
D3A2 Val: 11 destroyed, 45 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 35 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 27 destroyed
P-26A: 2 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 16 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 13 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 9 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 4 destroyed
C-47 Dakota: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Alchiba, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 3
AR Rigel, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
DD Blue, Bomb hits 1
CA Utah, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 52
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 258
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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 85,72 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 6 well this is a suprise
Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 20
TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72
222 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK China Maru, Shell hits 3
PG Shoei Maru, Shell hits 5
PC Sonan Maru #6, Shell hits 3
PG Shotoku Maru, Shell hits 1
PC Ch 30, Shell hits 7
AP Kuraido Maru, Shell hits 1
PC Sonan Maru #5, Shell hits 9
Japanese ground losses:
673 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
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THESE THREE REALLY STINK
Ground combat at Puerto Princesa
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 86 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 6
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Puerto Princesa base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
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Ground combat at Jolo Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 147 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 10 - adjusted assault: 12
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jolo Island base !!!
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Ground combat at Wake Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 5734 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 155
Defending force 2694 troops, 44 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Japanese max assault: 170 - adjusted assault: 39
Allied max defense: 2 - adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
2377 casualties reported
Guns lost 46
Vehicles lost 3
WELL NOW I DONT HAVE TO CONSIDER A RESCUE AT WAKE [:(]
Seems to have been a typical turn one with the following exceptions and comments...
TF 1013 encounters mine field at Merak (19,59)
Never seen this mined this soon [&:]
Allied Ships
DD Van Nes
DD Evertsen
*******************************************************************
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
D3A2 Val x 137
B5N2 Kate x 157
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
D3A2 Val: 11 destroyed, 45 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 35 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 27 destroyed
P-26A: 2 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 16 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 13 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
B-18A Bolo: 9 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 4 destroyed
C-47 Dakota: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Alchiba, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 3
AR Rigel, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
DD Blue, Bomb hits 1
CA Utah, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 52
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 258
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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 85,72 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 6 well this is a suprise

Allied ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 20
TF 20 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72
222 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK China Maru, Shell hits 3
PG Shoei Maru, Shell hits 5
PC Sonan Maru #6, Shell hits 3
PG Shotoku Maru, Shell hits 1
PC Ch 30, Shell hits 7
AP Kuraido Maru, Shell hits 1
PC Sonan Maru #5, Shell hits 9
Japanese ground losses:
673 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
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THESE THREE REALLY STINK

Ground combat at Puerto Princesa
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 86 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 6
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Puerto Princesa base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 4 destroyed
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Ground combat at Jolo Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 147 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 10 - adjusted assault: 12
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jolo Island base !!!
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Ground combat at Wake Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 5734 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 155
Defending force 2694 troops, 44 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Japanese max assault: 170 - adjusted assault: 39
Allied max defense: 2 - adjusted defense: 9
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
2377 casualties reported
Guns lost 46
Vehicles lost 3
WELL NOW I DONT HAVE TO CONSIDER A RESCUE AT WAKE [:(]
JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath
RE: Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
8 Dec 1941
This was a very very good day and bad at the same time
Day Time Surface Combat, near Manado at 39,67
Japanese Ships
AP Astuga Maru, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Chinko Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
AP Eiko Maru
AP Gyoko Maru, Shell hits 4
AP Heiwa Maru, Shell hits 5
AP Igasa Maru
AP Kiko Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Anrugu Maru, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
AP Dainiunyo Maru, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsujin Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire
AP Ujigawa Maru, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 1
DD Barker
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 1
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 1
DD Parrott
DD Stewart

And the bad part for the day.............................
Ground combat at Canton Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2581 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 156
Defending force 1806 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 4
Japanese max assault: 202 - adjusted assault: 32
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 5
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Canton Island base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 8 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
747 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
2041 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
LOOKS AS IF JAPAN IS MAKING SOME PLANNING ALOT EASIER [:-]
This was a very very good day and bad at the same time
Day Time Surface Combat, near Manado at 39,67
Japanese Ships
AP Astuga Maru, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Chinko Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
AP Eiko Maru
AP Gyoko Maru, Shell hits 4
AP Heiwa Maru, Shell hits 5
AP Igasa Maru
AP Kiko Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Anrugu Maru, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
AP Dainiunyo Maru, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatsujin Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire
AP Ujigawa Maru, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 1
DD Barker
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 1
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 1
DD Parrott
DD Stewart

And the bad part for the day.............................
Ground combat at Canton Island
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2581 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 156
Defending force 1806 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 4
Japanese max assault: 202 - adjusted assault: 32
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 5
Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Canton Island base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 8 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
747 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
2041 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
LOOKS AS IF JAPAN IS MAKING SOME PLANNING ALOT EASIER [:-]
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JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath
RE: Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
9 Dec 1941
Kind of a slow day but i know is calm before the storm. Losing Canton Island is a major blow. I just need to be patient and defend best I can and not rush and draw troops to retake it today or tomarrow. I feel i can isolate it and the go to work on taking it back. Some interesting tibits from the day.........................
Night Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese Ships
DD Manazuru, Shell hits 55, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
PT MTB 7
PT MTB 8
PT MTB 9
PT MTB 10
PT MTB 11
PT MTB 12
PT MTB 26
PT MTB 27
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Kota Bharu This give a major AB to Japan
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 28485 troops, 223 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value =
612
Defending force 6423 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 101
Japanese max assault: 1314 - adjusted assault: 1674
Allied max defense: 77 - adjusted defense: 57
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kota Bharu base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
450 casualties reported
I was hoping to hold out at least a week on this one
Kind of a slow day but i know is calm before the storm. Losing Canton Island is a major blow. I just need to be patient and defend best I can and not rush and draw troops to retake it today or tomarrow. I feel i can isolate it and the go to work on taking it back. Some interesting tibits from the day.........................
Night Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese Ships
DD Manazuru, Shell hits 55, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
PT MTB 7
PT MTB 8
PT MTB 9
PT MTB 10
PT MTB 11
PT MTB 12
PT MTB 26
PT MTB 27
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Kota Bharu This give a major AB to Japan
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 28485 troops, 223 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value =
612
Defending force 6423 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 101
Japanese max assault: 1314 - adjusted assault: 1674
Allied max defense: 77 - adjusted defense: 57
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kota Bharu base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1
Allied ground losses:
450 casualties reported
I was hoping to hold out at least a week on this one
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JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath
RE: Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
11 dec 1941
Looks like operation get the &%^$*& outa DODGE Should be planned [X(]
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
D3A2 Val x 134
B5N2 Kate x 146
Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5
P-26A x 2
P-36A Mohawk x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x25Looks as if I did get some CAP up may as well been kites

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 11 destroyed, 49 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 42 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
P-26A: 2 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 4 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Utah, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AVD Avocet, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
255 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Port hits 21
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
23 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
17 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
27 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
22 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Looks like operation get the &%^$*& outa DODGE Should be planned [X(]
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 114,72
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
D3A2 Val x 134
B5N2 Kate x 146
Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5
P-26A x 2
P-36A Mohawk x 8
P-40B Tomahawk x25Looks as if I did get some CAP up may as well been kites

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 11 destroyed, 49 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 42 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
P-26A: 2 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 4 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Utah, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AVD Avocet, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
255 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Port hits 21
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
23 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
17 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
27 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
22 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath
RE: Palaidin333<IJN> vs Sacorsair<ALLIES>
12-12-41
Ground combat at Brunei
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 1361 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38
Defending force 804 troops, 5 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese max assault: 38 - adjusted assault: 37
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 7
Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Brunei base !!!
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Not to much going on. I think Japan is resting before a major push now is time for my redeployment to see if i can guess what is next
Ground combat at Brunei
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 1361 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38
Defending force 804 troops, 5 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Japanese max assault: 38 - adjusted assault: 37
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 7
Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Brunei base !!!
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Not to much going on. I think Japan is resting before a major push now is time for my redeployment to see if i can guess what is next
JAMES REX---Birthdays are like Boogers the more you have the harder it is to breath