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With all respect why is a sex scene -probably no longer than a couple of seconds- more disturbing than mutilated bodies, exterminated envoys, tramped soldiers oiles of bodies, and frightening monsters?

With all respect...I would rather (and have said so in the past) my daughter sit an watch Aliens (expletives removed) than a film with "mild" sexual/drug references.

It's just what individuals deem suitable for their kids.

Other people can let their kids watch films with "mild" sexual/drug references and pretend/hope that it does them no harm/does not influence them....I can do the same for films with sexual references.

Each to their own.

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I am interested in your opinion too Dave and mjk.

I'd be glad to give it to you in a different thread or, maybe even better, at Mad Cow's. I think it best for this thread to get back on track with 300 specific comments.

And in that spirit. This is the first film that I've wanted to see in the theatre in a long time. Great trailers. Although having thoroughly enjoyed Sin City made me much more susceptible to the ad campaign.

I normally will not forgive blatant historical inaccuracy but it's of no importance to me for this movie. I imagine if the subject was The Alamo, I'd feel differently.
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I am interested in your opinion too Dave and mjk.

I'd be glad to give it to you in a different thread or, maybe even better, at Mad Cow's. I think it best for this thread to get back on track with 300 specific comments.

And in that spirit. This is the first film that I've wanted to see in the theatre in a long time. Great trailers. Although having thoroughly enjoyed Sin City made me much more susceptible to the ad campaign.

I normally will not forgive blatant historical inaccuracy but it's of no importance to me for this movie. I imagine if the subject was The Alamo, I'd feel differently.

Normally, I don't like going to the theatre - crowds, comfort issues, etc....

However, I waited so long to see this movie that I made myself go - lol

Glad I did - it has to be seen on the BIG screen. I am looking forward to getting the dvd, and hopefully, there will be more footage and lots of goodies...

I was surprised by the amount of historical accuracy. The narrator at the beginning of the film sets the stage about Spartan society and it warrior ethos.

Some liberties are taken, but all the essential elements from history are there...
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Ursa MAior obviously threw the comment in just to start an argument.

He "threw it in" because it cropped up, as such things often do in internet discussions and although I realise in retrospect my own comment may have implied a personal criticism which was most certainly not intended, and for which I apologise, I don't think the extended 'off-topic police' intervention was justified.

For the record, my step-daughter is 12 and personally I have much bigger issues with graphic violence than mild sex scenes. There's a difference between 'Aliens' and people killing and maiming other people albeit in a historic and, in this case, stylised setting.

Looking forward to the movie, but the kid won't be going - but not because of the sex.
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Sin City is utterly sick movie - psychologically damaging for kids, ugly and sick to the bone. I consider myself to be extremely liberal father, perhaps too liberal, I have no problems with kids seeing sex scenes (if it's not with animals or dwarfs LOL), and I let my 7yo play Red Orchestra for hours on end (one of the most realistic and graphical shooters around, limbs torn off, tons of blood etc).
 
Still, I wouldn't want to have my kids anywhere within 1 mile from anything by people who did Sin City (and as I understand 300 is very similar in gore and overall visual style). sick sick sick
 
Well I guess we are all different, just my proverbial 0,02$ or €
 
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Sin City is utterly sick movie - psychologically damaging for kids, ugly and sick to the bone. I consider myself to be extremely liberal father, perhaps too liberal, I have no problems with kids seeing sex scenes (if it's not with animals or dwarfs LOL), and I let my 7yo play Red Orchestra for hours on end (one of the most realistic and graphical shooters around, limbs torn off, tons of blood etc).

Still, I wouldn't want to have my kids anywhere within 1 mile from anything by people who did Sin City (and as I understand 300 is very similar in gore and overall visual style). sick sick sick

Well I guess we are all different, just my proverbial 0,02$ or €

Personally, although I liked the style of Sin City, like you, I didn't care for the over-the-top gratuitous violence, sex and depravity, displayed in the movie.

However, Zack Snyder DID NOT direct Sin City; another director did.

300 is not Sin City - and I have seen both films.
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Still, I wouldn't want to have my kids anywhere within 1 mile from anything by people who did Sin City (and as I understand 300 is very similar in gore and overall visual style). sick sick sick

Agreed on Sin City. The link, though, is just the guy who wrote the comic books, I think, Frank Miller. He also wrote 'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns' which kicked of the cycle of Batman movies in mood if not content.

I'd far rather have seen a pure historical adaptation of the Thermopylae story, but as both reviews and audiences are rather better than I expected (I didn't think much of the trailers) I'll certainly give the movie a chance.
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Thanks for the positivsm Dave. [;)]

I have a 7 yr old daughter and a 4,5 yr old son. Until they are 15+ they wont see any R rated movies for sure (at least not with my knowledge). Ratings are there for a reason and IMDB has a short description after the rating. 

..so they'l not be reading any fairy tales either then ?

..and as for most mythology, Greek, Roman, Egyptian Norse, Finn they'd better wait till their at least 21 ...[&:]

..kids don't watch things they can't understand, they really don't
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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Sin City is utterly sick movie - psychologically damaging for kids, ugly and sick to the bone. I consider myself to be extremely liberal father, perhaps too liberal, I have no problems with kids seeing sex scenes (if it's not with animals or dwarfs LOL), and I let my 7yo play Red Orchestra for hours on end (one of the most realistic and graphical shooters around, limbs torn off, tons of blood etc).

Still, I wouldn't want to have my kids anywhere within 1 mile from anything by people who did Sin City (and as I understand 300 is very similar in gore and overall visual style). sick sick sick

Well I guess we are all different, just my proverbial 0,02$ or €

Personally, although I liked the style of Sin City, like you, I didn't care for the over-the-top gratuitous violence, sex and depravity, displayed in the movie.

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..how can you like a movie but not
not care for the etc
?...especially a movie called "Sin City", which i suspect is short on fluffy bunnies..
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..so they'l not be reading any fairy tales either then ?
..and as for most mythology, Greek, Roman, Egyptian Norse, Finn they'd better wait till their at least 21 ...[&:]
..kids don't watch things they can't understand, they really don't

In the original Sleeping beauty she woke up to being raped not kissed etc.

But fairy tales are not that VISUAl like films. Told tales leave the interpretation to their own fantasy, which is innocent due to their age (unless they watch too much cartoon network crap).

As of mythology I have had to postpone reading it to them (even i was 10+ when first read classical mythology) since I started with the foundation of rome. Everything was more less OK until Remus was struck on orders from Romulus. So they are not old enough for that.

I dont know what you mean by dont understand but they dont watch TV during workdays at all, weekends only in the morning till 9. They ask everything they dont understand and I ask them at least once a day whether they have any queation. I pay attanetion not to go close to crashes, accidenst etc, so I do my best to keep them in their opwn little world. Damn sure they have not heard of terrorists, Iraq, global warming, or even wargaming at all. They saw me playing War in the pacific but not Call of duty.
Of course they are taught to make selective collection of trash and stuff but without deep reasongi. Later they will find it out. But step by step. I was really outrageous about my english brother-in-law, who brought his 8 yr son to Blade cuz he (the kid) told him that someone in the class has already seen it.

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..so they'l not be reading any fairy tales either then ?
..and as for most mythology, Greek, Roman, Egyptian Norse, Finn they'd better wait till their at least 21 ...[&:]
..kids don't watch things they can't understand, they really don't

so I do my best to keep them in their own little world.


..yup, i'd noticed..

..maybe it's different on a farm, my first show and tell complete sheep's skull at 8, i was so proud to get one with all the bits including a full set of teeth, just a shame i couldn't get the rest of the skeleton out of the brambles..


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My reason for wanting to see this movie is explicitly for the cinematograpy and graphic imagery. After all this is a movie "based on" a graphic novel (comic book) which in turn is "based on" an historical subject. And from what I've read and seen it is "loosly" based on history (as many historical movies are). But I don't want to see it for any history lesson nor am I expecting any great dramatic performance or stunning screenplay. Based on all the hoopla and previews, what seems to be the primary focus of the movie is the visual presentation. I find the technology of movie making, specifically cinematography/sound, as interesting if not more so than the story/acting aspect. That's right -- I'm looking for eye-candy and I hope this movie has plenty of it.

There is an underlying reason for my interest in cinematic tech advances. My hopes are that eventually, someone can produce a decent cimematic adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars novels.
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My reason for wanting to see this movie is explicitly for the cinematograpy and graphic imagery. After all this is a movie "based on" a graphic novel (comic book) which in turn is "based on" an historical subject. And from what I've read and seen it is "loosly" based on history (as many historical movies are). But I don't want to see it for any history lesson nor am I expecting any great dramatic performance or stunning screenplay. Based on all the hoopla and previews, what seems to be the primary focus of the movie is the visual presentation. I find the technology of movie making, specifically cinematography/sound, as interesting if not more so than the story/acting aspect. That's right -- I'm looking for eye-candy and I hope this movie has plenty of it.

There is an underlying reason for my interest in cinematic tech advances. My hopes are that eventually, someone can produce a decent cimematic adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars novels.

You are going with the right attitude.

I have read plenty about Greek history and the Battle of Thermopolyae. So I can easily fill in info if a film has any gaps in it.

There is plenty of eye candy in this film. Without spoiling it too much I will point out these:

1) The film is simply stunning. The landscapes and colours seem like something out of an oil painting. It has a dreamy, other worldly, surreal feel to it.

2) The Oracle Scene, especially with the female, has a very etheral feel to it and was simply mesmerizing....

3) The battle scenes are outstanding. In particular, the battle scene with King Leonidas in slow motion is a sight to behold. Even several days after seeing the movie, this fight sequence still stays with me. It goes on for some time, and is sheer beauty. Unlike most directors who use shaky cams and quick cuts for battles, Snyder used this slo-mo techinque, and has set a new standard for how battle scenes can be filmed.

All the essential elements of history are here: we learn about the Spartan warrior ethos; we know the Spartans are going to the hot gate; Xerxes and his army are trying to defeat Greece; only 300 can go to the battle because the Spartans are celebrating a religious festival; etc....

The film deviates from historical reality by using, what I call "giving visual form to a character's inner traits". What do I mean by this? Simply this:

The Spartans are brave, noble men and women, so they are portrayed as muscular (men) and beautiful (women). The traitor is pictured as being misshapen and ugly; while Xerxes, who proclaims himself to be the King of the world and a god, is portrayed as being dark and sinister, as being 10 feet tall, and covered with chains of gold...

Just remember that this is a graphic novel about the battle that has been brought to the big screen....


EDIT: I should add that those poor souls who lack imagination; who develop eye twitch if even a single element in a film is not 100% historically accurate; and who thinks that the end of civilization as we know it has finally come because a film about historical events are not as they should be; should not venture forth into one's theatre to see this film....
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The film "300" can best be summed up in SEVEN words:

300 is an Operatic Tale of Heroism


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Hmmm, maybe if the 300 had breastplates, they would have won the battle.
 
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ORIGINAL: Dave Briggs

My reason for wanting to see this movie is explicitly for the cinematograpy and graphic imagery. After all this is a movie "based on" a graphic novel (comic book) which in turn is "based on" an historical subject. And from what I've read and seen it is "loosly" based on history (as many historical movies are). But I don't want to see it for any history lesson nor am I expecting any great dramatic performance or stunning screenplay. Based on all the hoopla and previews, what seems to be the primary focus of the movie is the visual presentation. I find the technology of movie making, specifically cinematography/sound, as interesting if not more so than the story/acting aspect. That's right -- I'm looking for eye-candy and I hope this movie has plenty of it.

There is an underlying reason for my interest in cinematic tech advances. My hopes are that eventually, someone can produce a decent cimematic adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars novels.

You are going with the right attitude.

I have read plenty about Greek history and the Battle of Thermopolyae. So I can easily fill in info if a film has any gaps in it.

There is plenty of eye candy in this film. Without spoiling it too much I will point out these:

1) The film is simply stunning. The landscapes and colours seem like something out of an oil painting. It has a dreamy, other worldly, surreal feel to it.

2) The Oracle Scene, especially with the female, has a very etheral feel to it and was simply mesmerizing....

3) The battle scenes are outstanding. In particular, the battle scene with King Leonidas in slow motion is a sight to behold. Even several days after seeing the movie, this fight sequence still stays with me. It goes on for some time, and is sheer beauty. Unlike most directors who use shaky cams and quick cuts for battles, Snyder used this slo-mo techinque, and has set a new standard for how battle scenes can be filmed.

All the essential elements of history are here: we learn about the Spartan warrior ethos; we know the Spartans are going to the hot gate; Xerxes and his army are trying to defeat Greece; only 300 can go to the battle because the Spartans are celebrating a religious festival; etc....

The film deviates from historical reality by using, what I call "giving visual form to a character's inner traits". What do I mean by this? Simply this:

The Spartans are brave, noble men and women, so they are portrayed as muscular (men) and beautiful (women). The traitor is pictured as being misshapen and ugly; while Xerxes, who proclaims himself to be the King of the world and a god, is portrayed as being dark and sinister, as being 10 feet tall, and covered with chains of gold...

Just remember that this is a graphic novel about the battle that has been brought to the big screen....


EDIT: I should add that those poor souls who lack imagination; who develop eye twitch if even a single element in a film is not 100% historically accurate; and who thinks that the end of civilization as we know it has finally come because a film about historical events are not as they should be; should not venture forth into one's theatre to see this film....


..i liked Straw Dogs for much the same reasons...

..come on now, it was a hot'n'sweatey little battle, according to some too "tactical" to be done in t3 but whatevr, what i've seen so far goes a tadge too "muscular" for my tastes, i prefer Alexander as a portraial (sp) of ancient warfare..

..and, sorry, i thought we all knew the historical situation, it's hardly covered by the 30 yr rule..
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300 crushed the competition over the weekend, grossing over $70 million, more than the next 10 films COMBINED!

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/



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"Waiting for the Persians to Attack"



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A wounded King Leonidas (Gerard Butler) roars his defiance at the Persian invaders as he stands surrounded by his fallen Spartans.

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..try "the last horror movie"...
 
..so very english..
 
..not saying we make more effective movies than Hollywood, of course not, how could i possibly challenge the undoubted world leader in film-making*...
 
..mind you, they didn't write a white man's burden, Kipling, coincidentally written on the US invasion of the Philippines in 1898...
 
..which has absolutely nothing to do with modern geopolitics at all...
 
..* except with ' Leningrad Cowboys go '..don'tcha just luv dem Finns..
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