Taking Kendari

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el cid again
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Taking Kendari

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A review of Celebes reveals a much more complex picture than has been obvious heretofore. While I did add several locations, I was way to conservative in rating their economic significance - or infrastructures. Back when the game began - there were few towns - and the entire economy (understated as usual) was put at Kendari. I conclude that Kendari should lose at least half its resource centers - that all of these should move to other nearby points - one of which becomes a significant port (which will automatically move supplies/resources to Kendari - but not troops! - the way code works - I should put a ferry there - but that requires a change in pwhex and in art - and the port is big enough to cut in the code movement of logistics). I also conclude that Western Celebes is much more economically important, that we need a supply sink at Makassar, and that Makale should be a potential larger airfield (one having been built there since). Some of the ports also grew. But the supply sink at Kendari can shrink by half - mitigating its impact - and the one at Makassar is only 1/6 the size of the old troublesome one. The price paid is that taking Kendari does NOT capture all - or even most - of the resources on Celebes - and you must take many points to get them - although you will be unopposed at almost all of them - and the resistence at Kendari will be less. I probably should add a guerilla unit - but have not yet figured this out for DEI area. This one would be opposed to those in Java - a very tricky thing to figure out. Indonesian militias fought each other more than the Japanese - sort of like ROC and Red Chinese. Complete with the communist/non-communist and central/non-central control themes!
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RE: Celebes

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I appreciate that but if it is only for me dont waste your effort, i will change the supply sink heavily or even delete it anyway. We just have diferent opinions about this.
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RE: Celebes

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The rule is - if there is a question - others have the same problem.

And the supply sink is a compromise / trade off concept. Modding is the art of compromise - which by definition means you pay a price for whatever you do. It is normal not to get unanimous views on trade off options. But something is gained by more thought about any given issue/location. The area is so vast we are plagued mainly by ignorance of the details which we need to program locations properly. Here we are now all better off - we have added more towns that will be used on Celebes - we have added bases and base sites (or increased their potential size) - there and in the islands to the South of Celebes - and we have a better representation of where resources are/were located.

The original compromise - to put the economy of the area all at one point - was valid in the sense that other points were missing. Having added those points - this compromise is a better one. And it permits a smaller sink at Kendari. I don't think you can remove the sink at Makassar - it requires surgery removing three kinds of squads - and the right numbers of them. But being smaller, it also is not going to be a big problem.

There are other approaches - but I must recommend not modding RHS by removal of sinks. We are running vastly larger numbers of resource centers - and get away with that only because we eat the excess supply. If you don't like sinks, go the way of CHS - where Andrew deliberately makes resource centers small to prevent ill effects of being too large. Or - if you can handle the OB additions - you can go with Empires Ablaze - which both removes the sinks and forces you to pay for them in a different (abstract) way. Just removing the sinks in RHS - the big obvious ones - is going to have entire army corps with supporting air forces operating without need of supply from the rear - and in big places army groups.

FYI: If you like my pwhex (and Cobra's art) work in the RHS map system - you can use Level 5 RHS pwhex and maps with CHS. But my location files are subject to very thoughtful analysis - on four continents - and tampering with them (other than adding things which are missing or changing the number of squads) is likely to have unintended consequences. The various changes are complimentary - not exclusive.
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RE: Celebes

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Thanks for that added information.
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RE: Celebes

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Commented on your other thread about Kendari.....thanks for the correction Cid......[:)]
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RE: Taking Kendari

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AI goes directly to Kendari. But then the Allied units can draw supplies from Pomala - at least - possibly also another point.

Had the Japanese landed at Pomala - there was no supply sink there - and no defense unit either unless the Allies divided their forces. They would then move overland to Kendari - and feed of Pomala while the enemy would not get any supplies. This is the preferred technique IRL as well. Whenever possibly Japan would land where the enemy was not, organize, and engage from landward.
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