Critics on TOAW

Zweihorn · Post by **Zweihorn** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:45 pm

Critics on TOAW. I discovered this very negative critics on TOAW in another forum:
http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=002167I´m quite a newbie, but I would like to hear how the experts think on this critics. For me TOAW loooks very flexible and realistic on the operation level.

Widell · Post by **Widell** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:47 pm

[X(] Not sure if you will get a very fair and balanced view here. Most of us paid for the game, and a majority has paid more than once, and would pay again. What does this mean? Between the pro's and con's, this is one of the very few games I have had installed since the day I first bought it a looooong time ago, and this can only mean it's good, very good!

Veers · Post by **Veers** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:11 pm

Wow. Have these guys even played the game for more than five minutes? It looks like they haven't.

freeboy · Post by **freeboy** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:48 pm

funny comming from a bf forum

Monkeys Brain · Post by **Monkeys Brain** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:15 pm

ORIGINAL: freeboy

funny comming from a bf forum

The writer is smart and kind of want to look like some intellectual but then shoot himself in the foot by saying that TOAW is completely broken and unplayable. Of course that TOAW is not perfect but it does well some things.

BTW interesting postings there, poster than continues to amaze us with his so big knowledge of computer and board wargames and then spell out what other have done better in other games. Yawn. Maybe he wants to lump all that together.
In fact maybe TOAW is not so realistic in some things but it is very playable and it is computer game and not West Point wargame simulation of Medieval II : Total War lol

Eh, I am so amazed by Medieval II that I mention it all the time haha.

Mario

Widell · Post by **Widell** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:34 pm

Can't resist posting this link

JAMiAM · Post by **JAMiAM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:40 pm

After reading these particular gems of inanity, it took all the willpower I could muster, to continue reading the rest of the author's (JasonC) screed...

Attacks are best conducted as mega overstack affairs at about 10 to 1 odds. No, the concentration penalties do not remotely forbid this.

Supply is so uncontrollable, the only way to actually manage it is to deploy some units so far from the action they won't have occasion to draw it. ...

None of the combined arms relationships of the real weapons are seriously present. Instead, units are bags of diversified combat power, supply and quality dependent to be sure, but not equipment dependent in any serious way.

They clearly show a complete misunderstanding of how things work in TOAW. At least, in the state it has been in, for the last seven years.

Telumar · Post by **Telumar** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:30 pm

Supply is so uncontrollable, the only way to actually manage it is to deploy some units so far from the action they won't have occasion to draw it. ...

Lol..i found this one extraordinarily amusing.

Veers · Post by **Veers** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:31 pm

ORIGINAL: Widell

Can't resist posting this link

Awesome. [:D]

ralphtricky · Post by **ralphtricky** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:02 pm

ORIGINAL: Veers

ORIGINAL: Widell

Can't resist posting this link

Awesome. [:D]

That's hilarious![&o][&o]

JAMiAM · Post by **JAMiAM** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:05 pm

Brilliant![:D]

rich12545 · Post by **rich12545** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:35 pm

Being a CM player also I saw this yesterday.  It is TOAW from a CM point of view.  Might as well talk about a pickup truck from a sport's car point of view.  Both vehicles but very different.  Seems like those guys don't have an clue but are trying to impress each other with how little they know.

Monkeys Brain · Post by **Monkeys Brain** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:09 pm

ORIGINAL: Widell

Can't resist posting this link

Great as other said!
Thanks.

Monkeys Brain · Post by **Monkeys Brain** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:12 pm

ORIGINAL: rich12545

Being a CM player also I saw this yesterday. It is TOAW from a CM point of view. Might as well talk about a pickup truck from a sport's car point of view. Both vehicles but very different. Seems like those guys don't have an clue but are trying to impress each other with how little they know.

I like Battlefront forum it is really funny sometimes. BTW, he is telling something that TACOPS is really great game and TOAW isn't (reading between the lines). I don't know - never tried the TACOPS's but didn't heard that it is so good. So I am suspicious in this guy reasoning.
Combat Mission quite contrary is great series of games.

And their upcoming Theatre of War will be game everyone will be talking about soon.

SMK-at-work · Post by **SMK-at-work** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:24 pm

no it is not TOAW from a BF pov - I also play BF and have no problems with ToaW.

It is the poster JasonC who is at fault - he is a prima donna - if everything isn't perfect then it is completely broken - he is a fan of hyperbole and this is a typical case of him playing with himself - not worth worrying about.

BAL · Post by **BAL** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:14 pm

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work
...It is the poster JasonC who is at fault - he is a prima donna - if everything isn't perfect then it is completely broken - he is a fan of hyperbole and this is a typical case of him playing with himself - not worth worrying about.

That dud redwolf is another legend in his own mind over there. If you don't like a game, at least be able to critique it intelligently - a trait that is obviously lacking in that thread.

philturco · Post by **philturco** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:33 pm

Consider myself a serious player of all types of wargames for 20+ years and since I first started playing TOAWIII about a year ago have not been able to be away from it more than a couple days before starting withdrawal symptoms. The incredible number of scenerios from very small size to massive(FITE,etc), prevent boredom from becoming over familiar with the tricks and gamey aspects that creep into some of the other really good games with time. Have not had the time to play several other games I've bought such as GG A World Divided,Forge of Freedom and WITP. So many games and so little time. I would like to see if possible better similation of sea and air combat but as a whole the game in my opinion has great value and is well worth buying. Also the forum is very active and its easy to find opponents for PBEM. A truly great game.

ralphtricky · Post by **ralphtricky** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:49 pm

ORIGINAL: rich12545

Being a CM player also I saw this yesterday. It is TOAW from a CM point of view. Might as well talk about a pickup truck from a sport's car point of view. Both vehicles but very different. Seems like those guys don't have an clue but are trying to impress each other with how little they know.

Did you see the thread that redwolf mentioned? I'm wondering if it had any more substance. That thread was pretty entertaining.

rich12545 · Post by **rich12545** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:42 am

ORIGINAL: ralphtrick

ORIGINAL: rich12545

Being a CM player also I saw this yesterday. It is TOAW from a CM point of view. Might as well talk about a pickup truck from a sport's car point of view. Both vehicles but very different. Seems like those guys don't have an clue but are trying to impress each other with how little they know.
Did you see the thread that redwolf mentioned? I'm wondering if it had any more substance. That thread was pretty entertaining.

Nope. Didn't see it. I play only CMAK and Tacops from Battlefront and since they are done I don't spend so much time there anymore. Just happened to see the one thread yesterday.

And for Monkey's Brain, Tacops is a very good game. WeGo like CM. Units are a bit larger. Graphics aren't as good. All modern units. No random generator but more than enough scenarios. It's so good the military from at least three countries use it for training. The dev is a retired Marine major. And there's a demo. Certainly worth a look.

Monkeys Brain · Post by **Monkeys Brain** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:06 am

And for Monkey's Brain, Tacops is a very good game. WeGo like CM. Units are a bit larger. Graphics aren't as good. All modern units. No random generator but more than enough scenarios. It's so good the military from at least three countries use it for training. The dev is a retired Marine major. And there's a demo. Certainly worth a look.

Thanks.

Major H is old buddy from wargaming Usenet group and Gamesquads forum. [;)]

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