The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire 1943-1946 LilJoe v Rob

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RE: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire 1943-1946 LilJoe v Rob

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Yes i know, its how he lost his carriers at Canton and he nearly mucked up his PM landing.

But that same trait can make his advances very quick and devastating.

What troops in the Philippines? [:D] Luzon is empty apart from some base forces at Lingayen. Getting reinforcements in would be very hard anyway with his carriers. I've got no ground unit reserve, like i said im slowly evacuating the gilberts but they're all headed to the Marinias as unless his carriers appearing is just a raid Iwo and Bonin will fall by next week.

Its been what, a month snice he assualted wake? Even if i did have huge ground unit reverses, Marcus and Iwo would have still have fallen, i cant be expected to have 500-1000 assualt points at Iwo Jima in late 1943 can i?


As said it was just a though! [:D][8|][:D]

Where are your troops?? There should quite a few ground units lying around just waiting to see action. (or that is my assumption since FDR/Dave seem to have troops everywhere or than again they might be using sneaky tactics somehow)

Anyway, I think you get your chance to get back to Rob. Patience, as said he is aggressive.
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There in Burma, around 5,000 assualt points, ive made no progress in China so that continues to be a drain.

Also bare in mind 700 assualt points where destroyed on wake and marcus, Attu i lose another...500-1000.

Got around 1,000 points on Tarawa and Apanama, i wanted to make them into a fortress but robs just gone around it, im emptying them though..

I might empty some troops from Burma, im gonnna have too, heres a map for you.

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2,700 assualt points east of Rangoon. So i have parity with his troops theres.

305 in Moulmien

700 in Victoria point

900 in Tavoy

715 in Rahaeng

Ive got level 9 forts all the way to Bangkok pretty much, but i dont want to hide behind thme until i have to. Any ideas how i could free up some assualt points here?
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The Iwo mess...

500 assualt points on each island, Bonin is in the red of supplies though. Iwo is in the orange.

The transports are the ones that have fled from the carriers, no point sending them back in, probably reroute them to the Marinias.

I could be really gamey and flood his carriers with all these dozens of merchants, then go in with the KB which you can see on the left,his attack groups would be divided into plenty of little peices, and it would give me a 'free' shot at breaking his cap of 261 hellcats, but i dont want to abuse the game that much.. Ive considered it though beleive me.

Only hope here is that its a raid, which is unlikey as its parked itself off the island along with some bombardment groups. or that hell take the bait that is my mini kb group headed to Johnstone island.

Depressing. I imagined defending such islands in 1945, with wave after wave of kamikaize aircraft hitting his ships, but here it is late 1943 and im helpess.
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Well, that makes Burma tough for him. Now that you have a chance to hammer RN than DEI becomes much more distant advance point. Meaning maybe garrison levels can be adjusted there as well.
 
China. I doubt he has plenty of supplies piled up there. So if you have PP available than you can take some units out of there to bolster your defenses in more significant bases at CenPac.
 
As ever good luck. [:)]
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Well, that makes Burma tough for him. Now that you have a chance to hammer RN than DEI becomes much more distant advance point. Meaning maybe garrison levels can be adjusted there as well.

China. I doubt he has plenty of supplies piled up there. So if you have PP available than you can take some units out of there to bolster your defenses in more significant bases at CenPac.

As ever good luck. [:)]

I have been doing that, but PP points are low now, its not an ideal way of freeing up troops.

Looks like my empires gonna be divided into three, the North Japanese empire Japan/Korea/China

The Western Japanese empire DEI/BURMA/Vietnam/Thailand.

And the Southern Japanese empire Marshalls/Gilberts/Papa new guinea. [:D]
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Robs probably gonna be able to guess somthing big is up from all these posts.

Above is a part of the 463 aircraft ive manage to russel together, Palembang can only managed 200 and its a level 4 airfield, so the attacks will be unco-ordinated and theyll be plenty of ops losses, but i get the feeling im only gonna have one turn to hit rob hard as possible.

Godspeed brave Samurai the fate of the Empire lies with you! [8D]
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The turn is sent, ive turnt the KB around, it will refuel at Tako that base North of Luzon, before heading down to Palembang, if all ive sent doesnt get the job done, the Kido Butai will chase the carriers and surface groups into the Indian Ocean and destroy them. No point having them in Japan for repairs when theres fighting to be done!

I flew in 9 Zekes to the Bonins and put them on max altitude naval attack [:D] Just a little f*ck you to robs uber cap and 'gamey' atoll tactics [:D]

We get along really...honest.
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Any ideas how i could free up some assualt points here?

I'd suggest withdrawing your troops east of Rangoon to Moulmein. Rob would then need to cross the Salween River to attack you & the disruption he'd take from the river-crossing would give you a good chance to counter-attack, even if you withdrew 300 AV or so.

Good luck & BANZAI! [;)]
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Ive considered that for so long, but he could easily march East instead and kick my 700 assualt points out of Raheang, making me have to recross the Salween to attempt to cut his supply lines.

If i can crush this RN incursion i might be able to strip my costal defences at Victoria and Tavoy as the threat of a amphibious landing fades.
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Hmmm. I hadn't thought it through that far, but now that I am:

You've got 715 AV at Rahaeng. x2 for woods (at least it looks to be - I only play on AB's map now so I'm not sure). x3 for fort level 9. = @ 4200 AV to defend with. Also, Rob is probably prepping his units for Moulmein, not Rahaeng. You've got at least one unit to the SW which looks to be reinforcing. He'd need another river-crossing to take Rahaeng as well.

You certainly couldn't hold there forever, but I'd wager you could hold for several months at least.

How large a force does he have in the hex NE of Rahaeng?

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A chinese corp and a tank brigade i think. That sounds like a sound plan..

Theres a level 9 fort in the base NE of bangkok too, so as long as i dont get overrun i could hold there for several months too.
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ok i agree to anything sensible .. max a/c number ? number of Cv's +Cvl's (CVE's count as either ) max what ? 6-8 per hex .. LBA can be overwhelming .. lets start with 6 1st 4+2 3+3 2+4 etc .. max 4 CV's though .. whts your thoughts ? also japan has to comply too .. mega KB :)

i;ll be off till tomorrow PM now .. sort of helping organise a frinds stag do (s) ..


Does that sound fair? Ill have to reorganise KB and a few of my other mini KB groups, funny that he still thinks KB is super, i think we orginally agreed to impose this on the American CV's as there death star is bigger than mine ever was. But i think rob thinks im trying to get one over him now.

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The first 48 hours of The Battle of Teloekbetoeng straights has been a bloody costly one.

Bad weather results in what can be called a Royal Navy victory. After a fierce bloody carrier battle the Junyo and Ryujo are sunk and the Chuyo and Hosho lie cripplied. Evidence if any was needed that stacking carriers favours the player with Hellcats more.

The first day of combat looked like this.. [8|]


Day Air attack on TF at 21,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 64

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 24
Hellcat II x 49
Barracuda x 22
TBM Avenger x 11
Avenger II x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 49 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hellcat II: 21 destroyed, 3 damaged
Barracuda: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Avenger II: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CVL Ryujo, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Chuyo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVL Ryuho
CVL Zuiho, Torpedo hits 1
CV Junyo, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Hosho


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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 17
D3A Val x 27
D4Y Judy x 17
B5N Kate x 56
B6N Jill x 32

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 31
Hellcat II x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 17 destroyed
D3A Val: 13 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y Judy: 17 destroyed
B5N Kate: 48 destroyed
B6N Jill: 29 destroyed
WTF! [:@]


Anyway, bad weather somthered Palembang for most of the day, so the battle wasnt going to be won in the air, at least not today, so it was up to Tanaka to force a glorious victory on the seas, the surface combat was bloody and will go down as legend in British and Japanese history books. Unfortunately unless the weather clears over Palembang and Teloekboeteng can hold for another turn, it will go down as a Royal Navy victory.

Out of the mighty taskforce that steamed into the straights. only the Mighty Musashi and the cruiser Tone came out.

The Hyuga sucummbed to torpedo hits from brave British destroyers
And the Chokai and Kako where sunk by admittedly impressive accurate gunning from thier Cruiser counterparts on the Royal navy side.

The Destroyer escort was also completedly destroyed.

The Royal navy also took considerable losses though, around a half dozen surface combats where initated against the Royal Navy, as Tanaka ruthlessley tried to break through to the Carriers or at least the transports.

The Royal navy stood firm however, in the end it was a brave plucky taskforce lead by the Light cruiser Glasgow that forced Tanaka to turn back, the stuff of legend perhaps. As two light cruisers and several destroyers turnt back the Musashi and saved the transports or indeed carriers from slaughter.

The royal navy losses where as follows.

BB Ramilles
CA Canberra
CL Glasgow

More importantly when you consider Rob still has no port nearby (although he landed another 600 assault points out of nowhere) several other ships where heavily cripplied including the Royal Sovereign.

If the bad weather lifts over Palembang tomorrow, these crippled ships will have to contend with around 350 torpedo bombers of some description...if the bad weather lifts, if we're gonna win this battle it will have to be on the 9th-10th as im pretty sure Teloekbetoeng will fall giving him a level 3 port.

The Kido Butai passed north of Luzon and it will be needed to force a complete victory now, its headed full speed to Brunei now to pick up more fuel before heading into the Java sea, looking at the situation its first job may be to launch a port attack on Teloekbetoeng.

Sorry for lack of screenshots but i was too gripped. Heres another overview 48 hours later...

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Numbers and results wise, the RN has won today, but due to the situation of this battle its a battle of attrition that the Japanese can win. Also im being quite liberal in my use of force, as i cannot let him get this close to Palembang without a bloody nose at least. Im gonna sleep before i give orders.

Elsewhere in the paicfic i also managed a surface intercept on robs carriers outside Iwo!

4 Pg's had a fleeting shot at the Yorktown before being beat down by its escorts. [:D]
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Also i dont think Rob has any Battleships left outside the place, the Rammilles is sunk and the Royal Sovereign is obviously crippled and im pretty sure i knocked out all her 15 inch guns during the battle, meaning that in round 2, if i can force it correctly, then i can have basically a repeat of round 1, but this time having Kido Butai as my carrier force, which should destroy the british carriers and the have the Musashi/Kongo/Mutsu go in and destroy his surface forces with impunity.

Hopefully, this battles just beginning thats for sure, i cannot let him pressure Palembang so early, we must purge the conlonialists from Souther Sumatra, and to do that we must destroy the Royal Navy!

Once the RN is gone, i can plummel his troops at will...thats the plane anyway. Even if he does capture Teloekboteng its still hardly a safe harbour.
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im off to bed .. hve to look at the replay tomorrow .. bad dreams ahead :(

It will be interesting to see how rob reacts to this battle, as only he knows the extent of the damage inflicted to the British fleet.
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Ouch! You had bad luck here! [8|]  ...weather seemed to have prevented a lot of the airstrikes scheduled.
 
Keep the spirits up and fight on!
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It was the carrier strike that pissed me off, the sunk Cruisers and the Hyuga didnt bother me, Robs in a world of pain once the weather clears over Palembang and Tanaka gets his reinforcements, not forgetting the Kido Butai!

The Losses are acceptable, need to keep my oil fields open!

Anyone know for sure if Rahaeng is a wooded hex? Im gonna but Ctangus 's plan into action to free up some troops, well a LOT of troops hopefully.
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Turn in pictures. Overcast weather predicted over Palembang, better than heavy preciptation, fingers crossed!

Ive fallen back to Moulmien, if Ctangus caluculations where right, rob wont be able to break through at Rahaeng. I call my defensive lines from here to Bangkok the 'Ctangus line' [:)]
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Ive fallen back to Moulmien, if Ctangus caluculations where right, rob wont be able to break through at Rahaeng. I call my defensive lines from here to Bangkok the 'Ctangus line' [:)]

Uh-oh! [X(] Well, I'm surely rooting for you now. [;)] Banzai!

The battle of Teleok... is certainly exciting. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Ugh, hurry up Kido Butai we need you!

The poor expierience levels of my LBA at Palembang showed today, a 70-80 exp group would have decimated this taskforce, but these arent 70-80 they're 50-60. [:(]

Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
D3A Val x 24
A6M3a Zero x 28
B5N Kate x 45
G4M1 Betty x 105
G4M2 Betty x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 23

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 15
Hellcat II x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
D3A Val: 7 destroyed, 10 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged
B5N Kate: 16 destroyed, 13 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 19 destroyed, 67 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 8 destroyed
Hellcat II: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CV Indomitable, Bomb hits 3
CL Nashville
CA Devonshire
CV Victorious
CVL Cowpens, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage


Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Cowpens sinks, the Prince if Wales is just crippled, and will be saved by the level 3 port at Teloekbotoeng that rob captured today. Its only a level one airfield though so if robs still playing by his own rules, hell allow himself 50 fighters at it, not too much for the Kido Butai to brush aside, no attack aircraft eiether so Tanaka can have a free run if the KB can clear the way.

But i made a complete blunder, the Kongo Mutsu taskforce was steaming straight towards teloek whatever its called, HOW THE HELL could i be so STUPID to over look this arrrghhh, thankfully the other ample targets in the Java sea prevented them catching too many torpedos.

But they're both out of the battle, both in 40 system damage, with low-moderate flooding, should make it back to Soerabaja unless his carriers chase them down and destroy them. What a stupid stupid mistake! [:@]

The Maya and Ashigara are untouched, so at least Tanaka will be reinceiving some reinforcements, they're all fleeing back to Soerabaja. Well...im not sure robs carriers have a free reign for the next week until KB turns up, now he knows my LBA at palembang is useless. I think ill send the Musashi and the healthy Cruisers to Balikpapan, just to stay out of the way of his maraunding carriers.

This battles really up in the air now, but rob now holds the initiative, but its becoming more clear its gonna come down to whoevers carrier force can secure air supreiroity over the Java sea and the teloekbotuewudf straights.

Im stuck at what to do with my lba at palembang, i wouldnt put it beyond robs engineers to build up the place to a level 2 airfield in the time it takes KB to arrive, and if he does, im in trouble, he could have 100 fighters there once he does, which could be a bit too much for KB, and obviously a level 2 airfield means attack aircraft which means Tanaka cant do his thing, with his limited resources. Ive got more Battleships coming from Truk though, sending in the whole IJN it seems they wont be here for ages though.

Hmmmm, i might send them on airfield attack to keep his engies busy, or should i still harbour hopes that they can improve there performance and put some more torps into some more ships.

Kido Butai is NW of San marcelino, ive split the taskforce into two, i know this sounds a bit Midwayesque but it isnt, the Kaga is at 15 system damage and the already slow Carrier to slowing the rest down. The new taskforce can make 4 hexes in a movement phrase rather than 3. Going into battle without the Kaga shouldnt be too hard....should it? [:D]

Very frustrating turn..
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