WAR IN THE MEDITERRANEAN: Speedy vs Pauk

[Nikademus]

I don't recall Malta ever being completely shut down either. (in fact the Axis was forced to night bomb on more than one occasion)

its about to get alot tougher........ [:D]

[qgaliana]

I guess it depends on the definition of being 'shut down'. There were definitely periods where Malta couldn't function as a base against axis convoys. Obviously some tweaking will be required to get the particulars right - maybe larger AF rating? More engineers?

[Nikademus]

technically the larger the AF rating the harder it's supposed to be to "shut down" the base. Problem in WitP engine is that even the largest AF (size 9 or 10) can be shut down reletively easy unless you have massive numbers of engineers. A deeper problem is the eponential effect of having increasing numbers of damaged aircraft sitting on the ground. The more sitting on the ground, the more that get destroyed per raid. Larger airfields should also be exponentially harder to hit grounded aircraft in lieu of special tactics or weapons (like parafrags etc)

For the beta of WitM - Nikmod, I have implemented several changes to make Malta a tougher nut to crack.

1) increased fort levels to 8. (fort levels help a little to reduce casualties from attack)
2) large increase in flak guns. (Malta is an experimental flak city)
3) large increase in engineer numbers. (to help facilitate quick repairs.
4) Italian AV in siciliy has been drastically reduced in an effort to produce a more realistic servicable/unservicable ratio if heavy continuous ops are employed.

I also scrubbed airgroup exp values. UK exp values seem to be mostly if not all stock WitP. I gave Malta's groups a boost. Italian exp generally went down as they seem to have benefited from IJAAF/IJNAF default values. Germans remain reletively high however replacements in too great a number will quickly degrade them.

[pauk]

bah, flak fanboi!


what happend today:

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

technically the larger the AF rating the harder it's supposed to be to "shut down" the base. Problem in WitP engine is that even the largest AF (size 9 or 10) can be shut down reletively easy unless you have massive numbers of engineers. A deeper problem is the eponential effect of having increasing numbers of damaged aircraft sitting on the ground. The more sitting on the ground, the more that get destroyed per raid. Larger airfields should also be exponentially harder to hit grounded aircraft in lieu of special tactics or weapons (like parafrags etc)

For the beta of WitM - Nikmod, I have implemented several changes to make Malta a tougher nut to crack.

1) increased fort levels to 8. (fort levels help a little to reduce casualties from attack)
2) large increase in flak guns. (Malta is an experimental flak city)
3) large increase in engineer numbers. (to help facilitate quick repairs.
4) Italian AV in siciliy has been drastically reduced in an effort to produce a more realistic servicable/unservicable ratio if heavy continuous ops are employed.

I also scrubbed airgroup exp values. UK exp values seem to be mostly if not all stock WitP. I gave Malta's groups a boost. Italian exp generally went down as they seem to have benefited from IJAAF/IJNAF default values. Germans remain reletively high however replacements in too great a number will quickly degrade them.

In WITP airfields are difficult to close (compared to UV) and this part is OK for me. The part that is not OK is that there is no dispersal in WITP, and it is far too easy to destroy AC on the ground with bombers.

[pauk]

ok, here is a CR... i must say that subs are proved to be useless - i think that this have something with 30 miles hex - transports can reach north arfica in three or four days and it is hard to set an ambush in right hex.... so, supplying NA is piece of cake after the Malta is closed down.... it is too easy....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/10/42


Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 26
CR-25 x 6
MC-200 x 20
Re-2001 x 15
BR 20 M x 36
Ju-88A-4 x 57
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 6

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
12 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
8 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
4 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
6 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
6 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
4 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
9 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
8 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
2 x BR 20 M bombing at 26000 feet
2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 T x 14
Ju-88A-4 x 52
Hs-126 B-2 x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 T: 1 destroyed
Ju-88A-4: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
15 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
10 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
5 x SM 79 T bombing at 21000 feet
6 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
2 x SM 79 T bombing at 21000 feet
3 x SM 79 T bombing at 21000 feet
2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
5 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
3 x SM 79 T bombing at 21000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 3
IMAM Ro-37 x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SM 84 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
Ca-311 x 1
SM 79 x 16
Z-1007 Bis x 49
BR 20 M x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
BR 20 M: 1 damaged

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
8 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
11 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
7 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
12 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
4 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
6 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
6 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
6 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 25000 feet
2 x BR 20 M bombing at 25000 feet
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Day Air attack on 132th Ariete Tank Division, at 48,127


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 10
Hudson I x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Indian Division, at 47,129

Japanese aircraft
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 10
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
Bf-109F-4 x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT MTB-61, Shell hits 4
PT MTB-66, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-64, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-63

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet
4 x Bf-109F-4 attacking at 100 feet

Two routed armoured units and one base force are at Derna, Ariete says...


Ground combat at Derna

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5183 troops, 49 guns, 189 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 9096 troops, 141 guns, 236 vehicles, Assault Value = 257



Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported



Blitzkrieg! We are approaching Gazala...

Ground combat at 47,129

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 14389 troops, 169 guns, 549 vehicles, Assault Value = 472

Defending force 6595 troops, 94 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 169

Japanese max assault: 786 - adjusted assault: 166

Allied max defense: 89 - adjusted defense: 2

Japanese assault odds: 83 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

[denisonh]

Of course if you could differentiate your airfield attacks into those designed to destroy aircraft (strafing, low level bombing w/para frags) vs trying to crater the runway and destroy facilties (level bombing) it would help I am sure.

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

technically the larger the AF rating the harder it's supposed to be to "shut down" the base. Problem in WitP engine is that even the largest AF (size 9 or 10) can be shut down reletively easy unless you have massive numbers of engineers. A deeper problem is the eponential effect of having increasing numbers of damaged aircraft sitting on the ground. The more sitting on the ground, the more that get destroyed per raid. Larger airfields should also be exponentially harder to hit grounded aircraft in lieu of special tactics or weapons (like parafrags etc)

For the beta of WitM - Nikmod, I have implemented several changes to make Malta a tougher nut to crack.

1) increased fort levels to 8. (fort levels help a little to reduce casualties from attack)
2) large increase in flak guns. (Malta is an experimental flak city)
3) large increase in engineer numbers. (to help facilitate quick repairs.
4) Italian AV in siciliy has been drastically reduced in an effort to produce a more realistic servicable/unservicable ratio if heavy continuous ops are employed.

I also scrubbed airgroup exp values. UK exp values seem to be mostly if not all stock WitP. I gave Malta's groups a boost. Italian exp generally went down as they seem to have benefited from IJAAF/IJNAF default values. Germans remain reletively high however replacements in too great a number will quickly degrade them.

In WITP airfields are difficult to close (compared to UV) and this part is OK for me. The part that is not OK is that there is no dispersal in WITP, and it is far too easy to destroy AC on the ground with bombers.

[DuckofTindalos]

NikMod or no NikMod, the problem will always be that the WitP land combat model isn't conducive to the Mediterranean theatre. Unfortunately...

It's a good mod, all the same, and kudos to fremen for it...

[pauk]

Naval battle occurs! Englander will go into details...i'm in rush!

Btw, results are expectable[:D]

[qgaliana]

ORIGINAL: pauk



Naval battle occurs! Englander will go into details...i'm in rush!

Btw, results are expectable[:D]

Expectable as in RL expected, or WITP oops those aren't Italians they're actually Japanese with Italian names expected? [;)]

[Nikademus]

Since these Italians have Japanese night exp values....it will probably be a real barn blaster at the very least.

and since Speedy is in charge of the Brits, we can expect him to get his ass kicked. [:D]

[Speedysteve]

I'm in a rush also since out with Turkish GF in a bit to a Greek Restaurant (go figure).

Good news for the Allies during dark days:

Night Time Surface Combat at 49,123

Japanese Ships
BB Andrea Doria, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
BB Littorio, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
CA Trieste, Shell hits 23, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Gorizia, Shell hits 11
CL Luigi Cadorna
DD Quintino Sella, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Grecale, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Scirocco, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Aviere, Shell hits 2
DD Bersagliere, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Geniere, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Lanciere

Allied Ships
BB Warspite
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 1
CL Liverpool, Shell hits 1
CL Glasgow
CL Edinburgh, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Maori
DD Kipling, Shell hits 1
DD Bedouin
DD Zulu
DD Jackal
DD Janus
DD Kelvin


And:

Day Time Surface Combat at 49,123

Japanese Ships
CA Gorizia, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
CL Luigi Cadorna, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Aviere, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 1
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 2
CL Liverpool, Shell hits 1
CL Glasgow, Shell hits 1
CL Edinburgh
DD Maori
DD Kipling, Shell hits 2
DD Bedouin
DD Zulu
DD Jackal
DD Janus
DD Kelvin

You were saying Nikadumbass?[:'(]

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

I'm in a rush also since out with Turkish GF in a bit to a Greek Restaurant (go figure).

You might want to wear your body armour for when she blows the place up...[X(]

[Nikademus]

obviously an out of sync........i'm sure Pauk kicked your ass good......before the GF does it that is.... [:'(]

[pauk]

thanks Nik...i always says you are the best person here. I would kick his ass but my "BBs" sucks --- Andrea Doria has (or it is better to say had[:D]) 12" main guns....armour is poor and there is nothing i can do about it - even with my well known skills...

Still, i'm more than sure i will kick Englander in the same way Croatia did it to England in Zagreb (football match - clear and easy win 2-0)...

[Capt. Harlock]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Since these Italians have Japanese night exp values....it will probably be a real barn blaster at the very least.

and since Speedy is in charge of the Brits, we can expect him to get his ass kicked. [:D]

It looks like Fremen got that part of the mod right after all! [&o]
A 'well done' to Warspite and Queen Elizabeth!

[pauk]

Bah! 10 of 12 MY ships involved in the naval combat are damaged/sunk at the first sign of the Brits - is that what you calling "part of the mod right"....? phew![;)]

I want my Kido Butai (childish crying)!!!!!!

[Nikademus]

bah....more likely the Englander got lucky thx to the many randoms. He still sucks.

[:D]

[pauk]

What i can say - you are right - as always....

[ctangus]

I smell Barney-like propaganda. Brittania rules the waves! [:'(]

Go Speedy!