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"You are all green alike"- Battle of the Nubs

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This will be a joint AAR between myself and NCSUforest.

We are playing CHS scenario 155, historical start with myself as the CEO of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, and NCSU as the Yankees...er, um, the Allies.

Our house rules are few - mainly concerning ASW TF size, 4E bomber altitudes and the like, and a general rule of non-gameyness whereby we can negotiate as the game goes on.

The reason for the title is we are both new to an extent in this game. NCSU is playing his first PBEM, and I am playing my first game EVER as the red fellers, although I have some limited experience playing PBEM as the Allies. I fear I will never be a JFB because I use spread sheets nearly everyday in RL, and the very idea of using them in a game is as repugnant as is the image of Nathan Bedford wearing blue. Also, I am still trying to learn what all those airplanes are, and where everything is. Here it is, Dec 12, '41, and I just found the Zuiho and Hosho still happily enjoying shore leave in Japan!

Anyway, I learned a bit of what I should be doing playing against Divebomber, and have tried to replicate some of his better moves, although I am playing less conservatively than he does, at least so far, but I cannot go into that just yet.

On the opening turn, I landed paratroopers in Victoria Point, Tavoy, Tuguegarao, and Naga, and have shipborne forces heading to #######, ########, ########, #########, and an early attempt at #########. The paratrooper thing worked pretty well everywhere but Tavoy where the 0 AV base force is still holding out. I don't get that one. I had to abandon Naga, and fall back to Legaspi because of superior inferior forces pressing down. I will have it back soon though.

Although I have shown incompetence above and beyond the call of duty in shutting down the exodus from the PI, I have had some decent success in sinking ships primarily because NCSU is still in the "AI" mindset. I fear he will shake that off soon though. KB doubled back to PH after a brief foray looking for CV's (I found the Enterprise, but weather precluded launches, and I guessed wrong in the direction that frog would jump.) Anyway, I found a TF loaded with one ML, 3 DM's, and a raft of AK's loaded with the 3rd Marine Def Bn. Two big strikes later they were no more, and the Jarheads were headed for that Big Beach in the Sky. I have managed to put fish into a couple of CA's, and have sunk the CL Mauritania. I have lost a sub by hitting a VH2 in Palembang - I have never seen that happen before. Go figure it happens now.

My strategy in this game will be to follow the examples of Forrest and Jackson. Take from that what you will.

Anyway, here is a screenie of the point situation, if I figure out how to upload it.

(edit) I should add that 13 of those 48 ships lost are only PT's. Ten were sunk attacking one of my landing points in the PI (part of the AI mindset I mentioned before - in PBEM you protect those), and three were sunk with the TF carrying the 3rd Marine Def Bn.

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I greatly appreciate the quote by Lincoln for your AAR Title!  Good luck and good hunting.
 
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Thank you for that. Lincoln was arguably the greatest president this country ever had. I can't imagine another one holding the North together to conquer the insurrection like he did. His contemporaries considered him a buffoon or "The Original Gorilla", but he is one of my inspirations even though he was from a "foreign country". I can hear my ancestors rolling in their graves now![X(]
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Now--Quoting Gen McClellan might just upset my stomach with all that gorilla nonsense!  [:D]  He was a FINE peice of...work...yaaaa thats it!
 
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The scary thing is if Sherman hadn't taken Atlanta when he did, Little Mac would have been YOUR 17th president! Talk about illness in the ole tummy....
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More like suicide...[X(][X(]
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I will join the AAR so that hopefully other Nubs can learn from our mistakes.
 
The PT losses at Vigan were a gamble on bad intell - will be more cautious in the future.
 
And yes I got cought by Kb circling back toward PH instead of heading for Kwaj as I thought it would. 
 
The Mauritus was sunk as I was trying to evac the cripples that start the game in Sing. I sent them due north to Columbo instead of east then North.
 
AU's move with the para's was good but my question is how were you able to send 1st SNLF by air?? or was the combat report part of FOG
  
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Hmmm.. SEC vs ACC? War Damn Eagle!
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SEC vs. ACC. It hardly seems fair does it? War Damn Eagle!

I don't recall exactly which units I paradropped (I am not at home), but they were all Paradrop capable. What you might have seen was the 1st Yakasuko SNLF, or something like that. All this Japanese nomenclature is confusing to me having grown up as an Allied Fanboy.
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SEC vs. ACC. It hardly seems fair does it? War Damn Eagle!

I don't recall exactly which units I paradropped (I am not at home), but they were all Paradrop capable. What you might have seen was the 1st Yakasuko SNLF, or something like that. All this Japanese nomenclature is confusing to me having grown up as an Allied Fanboy.

Huh??? [X(] Those SNLF units with the same symbols as the paratroop units can be paradropped too!!! I never realized that!

Domo arigatou gozaimashita! [:D] [:D] [:D]

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Dec. 13th, 1941

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The NATO symbol for airborne troops is the rectangle with crossed lines and a bird in flight silhouette. Another hint is their relatively light equipment in their TOE.

This was a fairly uneventful turn. I caught some TK's at Brunei with one of my float plane carriers, and a bombardment TF. Another float plane carrier TF had a few shots at the Boise - and missed! [:@] Other than a few mutual torpedoings around the map, not much else happened.
As to the overall situation: Wake fell the first turn, and Hong Kong is holding out. I have a few things in the works that we should see pretty soon.

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Not much going on on my side either - Just repositioning forces and completing evacs from HK and PI.
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We also added another house rule - PTs can not be used in surface TFs with other warships or in amphibious assault TFs.
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ORIGINAL: NCSUforest

We also added another house rule - PTs can not be used in surface TFs with other warships or in amphibious assault TFs.

Why did you guys decide on that one?

It seems to me that if you were left with only a few odds and ends combat ships to defend a base it wouldn't matter what you threw into the mix - for example, PTs with PGs, MSWs, etc.

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It is our understanding that PT's combined with other warships they become far too lethal in their torpedo attacks. Has that been changed in a patch somewhere along the line?

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Dec. 15th, 1941

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Things are picking up a little. Invasions are taking place at Kuching, Brunei, and Menado. Brunei fell this turn and I have great hopes for the other two. Hong Kong will fall next turn, and Tavoy finally fell to my lackadaisical paratroopers. Now to repair the damage.

My naval forces are in complete disarray, and after this round of conquests I intend to do some housekeeping on them. I am too inefficient as it is now. Some TF's have little or no protection while others have too much, if that is possible. I also intend to send the KB to Tokyo for the duration of the war - I don't want them to get damaged. [8|]

Here is the highlight of the replay:


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Somewhere in the Celebes Sea lurks some baby carriers. A song from the 70's can faintly be heard, "Nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide..."
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SEC vs. ACC. It hardly seems fair does it? War Damn Eagle!

I don't recall exactly which units I paradropped (I am not at home), but they were all Paradrop capable. What you might have seen was the 1st Yakasuko SNLF, or something like that. All this Japanese nomenclature is confusing to me having grown up as an Allied Fanboy.

Huh??? [X(] Those SNLF units with the same symbols as the paratroop units can be paradropped too!!! I never realized that!

Domo arigatou gozaimashita! [:D] [:D] [:D]

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Dont even think about it ya plucky lil punk [:D]
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neat AAR AU [&o][:D]
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ORIGINAL: AU Tiger

It is our understanding that PT's combined with other warships they become far too lethal in their torpedo attacks. Has that been changed in a patch somewhere along the line?


I haven't heard about that. What I've read is that some players ban "hordes" of PTs on defense - e.g. 30 PT TFs. Maybe we should ask the Old-Timers about this in the main part of the Forum...

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Not a bad idea. If it has no effect then I have no problem with it. Having a DD - PT TF makes sense to me, but if it causes atypical results, we shouldn't have it. If you have noticed in our game I have never combined them for that reason.


Here is the link to Divebomber's PT query, we will see what comes up.
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