Wargamer REVIEW

[CaptRio]

Are you guys sleeping or what???!!!!! [X(][X(][X(]

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/crossofiron/


Best REVIEW I've ever seen!!!! [&o][&o][&o]

[Prince of Eckmühl]

I rarely visit that site. I consider its pages to be a virtual compendium of truisms about corrupt relationships between gaming advertisers and the gaming media. Because of this, I had deleted it from my favorites. Still, though, Trotter is marvelous, and I think that he went straight to the heart of why CCx still towers above other titles in terms of its strengths as both a game and a simulator of small-unit, company-sized combat. It's a great read and I genuinely believe that his article buttresses the desireability of the continued development of Close Combat.

Hats off to Trotter for honesty and insights,

PoE

[Hertston]

A terrible review!

Not only has Mr Trotter failed to give the game a score at all, in order that he can immediately knock off 30% because CoI is a re-release, but he has completely failed to comment on the ludicrous over-pricing because the original game is 8 years old and Theatre of War costs $45! It defies all logic!

If you’re already a fan, you’ll find full value in this welcomed new edition. If you have yet to savor the addictive intensity of this game, I urge you to deprive yourself no longer.

Outrageous!! [;)]

[Randall Grubb]

On my second attempt to read though every word in Bill Trotter's review, I did manage it without nodding off. Some people accuse me of being overly verbose in my posts, but boy, can that guy write. And write and write and write!

All in all, I enjoyed his review from the descriptions and expose on the development of the various AI's and on to his perceptions and his mini AAR. Though long, it is well written IMHO. Does he get paid by the word?

Two nits, though. First, he refers to the orginal Close Combat (CC1 to those that count) as "Close Combat Normandy". I've looked closely at the box, the CD case liner, the CD and the game reference manual published by Microsoft and no where that I can find it refered to as anything other than "Close Combat". No where do I find it being refered to as "Close Combat Normandy". CC5 was called "Close Combat Invasion Normandy", but he was referencing CC1. A very minor point.

The second is in the fourth to last paragraph on the last page. He says while describing one of his battles;

Then, to my amazement, the top hatch opened and an arm appeared, waving a white rag in surrender. One by one, the shaken Russian crew clambered out and marched docilely away to enjoy the dubious hospitality of my POW compound, while the Team Monitor blinked and informed me that my men had captured a fully operational T-34! I lost no time turning the vehicle against its previous owners, who were easily routed when an apparently friendly tank suddenly came roaring down the road, spitting MG fire at them.

Italics added.

'Cuz me. What? Don't happen. Not in CoI, nor in CC3, CC2, CC4, CC5 or any of the military CC sims. I'll allow that it was an exuburent mis-conception during the heat of battle.

All in all, I give the review two thumbs up, not because it is a positive CoI review, but because it is very well researched and quoted developers from the first Close Combat, and CoI was very obviously played extensively before writing the review.

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: Senior Drill
On my second attempt to read though every word in Bill Trotter's review, I did manage it without nodding off. Some people accuse me of being overly verbose in my posts, but boy, can that guy write. And write and write and write!

I love his style. His reviews are always multi-multipage but you can read them better then many single page reviews.

[Comrade_Blabsky]

That captured tank thing was off-putting....but I think you can interpret his memory of getting a captured T34 in the rec pool, rather than jumping in the still-idling beast and chasing Russkies down the road.
 
I still have the strategy guide.  It was fun.  Glad he's a fan.
 
Ludicrous overpricing?  I'd pay for the new maps and campaign, besides that the game works much better than old CC3.  Some people need to get some education and training, and join the workforce.  It's only a couple hours pay for goodness sake.
 
 
 
 

[Monkeys Brain]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

A terrible review!

Not only has Mr Trotter failed to give the game a score at all, in order that he can immediately knock off 30% because CoI is a re-release, but he has completely failed to comment on the ludicrous over-pricing because the original game is 8 years old and Theatre of War costs $45! It defies all logic!

If you’re already a fan, you’ll find full value in this welcomed new edition. If you have yet to savor the addictive intensity of this game, I urge you to deprive yourself no longer.

Outrageous!! [;)]

Again Hertson?

Guys this has become boring. As anyone cares what that fat pig Trotterson is writing. He is recycling his articles from 1995. from PC Gamer lol. And he writes also some fantasy books lol like fictional wars in America lol.

And you are right, any decent reviewer would mention the price but Trotter clearly don't have stamina, intelligence to do it. That just makes lousy reviewer and gone mad fantasy writter LOLZ

And Hertson, I won that argument so you don't need to bring that again and again do you? Goebels methods don't cut.



Mario

[Monkeys Brain]

Ludicrous overpricing? I'd pay for the new maps and campaign, besides that the game works much better than old CC3. Some people need to get some education and training, and join the workforce. It's only a couple hours pay for goodness sake.

Hoho... what a bunch of nonsense. But you don't know what word principle means. Ah, I would have expected better from Rebels and not Yankees lolz (as I always liked more South than North lolz)

Money is not an issue as money per se. Hard to understand?



Mario

[Marc von Martial]

Could you simply just stop high jacking threads? You sound like a broken record already.
If not I will simply put you on a two weeks vacation. Let alone for the personal insults in the direction of Bill Trotter.

If you want that people take your seriously here then you better act at least a bit mature.

[Monkeys Brain]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Could you simply just stop high jacking threads? You sound like a broken record already.
If not I will simply put you on a two weeks vacation. Let alone for the personal insults in the direction of Bill Trotter.

If you want that people take your seriously here then you better act at least a bit mature.

Alright, my apolohies to Trotter, I also think that he have a style. Foolish words in a moment of rage.

But it would be good that you as admin say that as well to other side. If they want to ridicule my opinion they must be prepared to get something back from me.

But I am satisfied many people have contacted me and told me that I am right so I am using this opportunity to thank them. That is enough for me.

Ban? That is good idea, I could use some vacation hehe.



Mario

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

Alright, my apolohies to Trotter, I also think that he have a style. Foolish words in a moment of rage.

But it would be good that you as admin say that as well to other side. If they want to ridicule my opinion they ...

Ever heard the word "satire" or "sarcasm" [;)]. I know it is hard to comprehend jokes for non native speakers. But even I got the sarcasm in Herstons post.

[Monkeys Brain]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

Alright, my apolohies to Trotter, I also think that he have a style. Foolish words in a moment of rage.

But it would be good that you as admin say that as well to other side. If they want to ridicule my opinion they ...

Ever heard the word "satire" or "sarcasm" [;)]. I know it is hard to comprehend jokes for non native speakers. But even I got the sarcasm in Herstons post.

OK, clearly missed that [;)]

So I will forgive Hertson all and send him bottle of best champagne to settle this...


Mario

[Comrade_Blabsky]

Looks like I missed the sarcasm too, even with the [;)].  But the atmosphere has been a little thick in here.
 
Best point of the review is to introduce it to the new generation who were in short pants when CC first appeared.  It may be a niche market, but the niche transcends the generations.
 
 
 
 

[Monkeys Brain]

ORIGINAL: Comrade_Blabsky

Looks like I missed the sarcasm too, even with the [;)]. But the atmosphere has been a little thick in here.

Best point of the review is to introduce it to the new generation who were in short pants when CC first appeared. It may be a niche market, but the niche transcends the generations.

Agreed. I also in fact like Trotter hehe but has been little bit carried away [;)]

All is settled now and well [:)]


Mario

[old man of the sea]

Bill is a great guy.
 
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[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: old man of the sea

Bill is a great guy.

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He is and he eats Ketchup for breakfast, Jesus [;)] ...

[David Heath]

ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

Could you simply just stop high jacking threads? You sound like a broken record already.
If not I will simply put you on a two weeks vacation. Let alone for the personal insults in the direction of Bill Trotter.

If you want that people take your seriously here then you better act at least a bit mature.

Alright, my apolohies to Trotter, I also think that he have a style. Foolish words in a moment of rage.

But it would be good that you as admin say that as well to other side. If they want to ridicule my opinion they must be prepared to get something back from me.

But I am satisfied many people have contacted me and told me that I am right so I am using this opportunity to thank them. That is enough for me.

Ban? That is good idea, I could use some vacation hehe.



Mario

Mario how old are you.

[Monkeys Brain]

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Mario how old are you.



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I apologize - it will not happen I promise. I will be civilized



Mario

[Williamb]

Welll Trotters review is the reason I stopped back. He said that the one thing that killed CC3 (the tank heavy russian AI) is fixed. So wanted to see if that is true. I cant tell you how much I hated that with a passion.
 
Im still in the no catagory for this game. I really want the CC5 ability to pick both sides of the battlefeild. I could stop the AI from ruining the game.
 
Still hoping for a better remake of that classic.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: David Heath
Mario how old are you.

[:D] LOL!! [:D] I missed the fun again.

He's over 35, am I right Mario? [:D]

However, in his defence, I think it was Hertston who "hijacked the thread". He went back to "high price vs low price" flamewar with his sarcastic post, and after that it's open season, free for all again. It takes a man of great self control and restraint (points to self) not to jump into that again [8D]

Anyhow congrats on a good review though I for one cannot stand Trotter's baroque and self-obsessed style.