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[JagWars]

Hitler's War:

In addition to Frederyck's response, Option 49 also includes:

Option 49: (Hitler's war) Replace notes (b), (d) and (e) of the Production Multiples Table with:
(b) +0.25 to China each turn;
(d)+0.25 to the USSR while Germany and the USSR are at war with each other.
Using this option, major powers no longer receive a bonus for an in supply enemy unit in their home country, and the USSR no longer receives any bonuses based on the cities they control.

[composer99]

ORIGINAL: Jaguar

Are you assuming that they are not playing with Option 49 - Hitler's War?

Judging from Reivaj's subsequent answer... yes, they do not appear to be playing Hitler's War. [:D]

Even if they were, the Germans would be getting a +.25 production bonus from the invasion, which would have boosted Germany to production multiple 1 (it happened in N/D 1940, if I recall).

[JagWars]

ORIGINAL: composer99

Judging from Reivaj's subsequent answer... yes, they do not appear to be playing Hitler's War.

Even if they were, the Germans would be getting a +.25 production bonus from the invasion, which would have boosted Germany to production multiple 1 (it happened in N/D 1940, if I recall).

Correct; however, assuming that the London Militia does not make it back home, then it becomes close to a wash for the two sides. The German will receive an additional five build points for the +.25 production multiple but it will cost 3 build points in lost production for the factory (1 in the turn it is occupied plus two lost during the two turns for repair) and four points for the cost of repairs. THe CW will loose a 2 build points cost unit. So while the German player will have a net production loss of two build points, the CW will have to spend two build points to rebuild the Militia unit.

However, I would argue that this was still a good strategy for the CW. It denies the German play two INF (INF+MOT) units for three turns. Just like money, units today are worth more than units tomorrow.

[Reivaj]

Sorry, but we have the "final edition rules", and I never read this option...

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Reivaj

Sorry, but we have the "final edition rules", and I never read this option...

What is the copyright date of your rulebook ?
Should be 2003 to be the latest.

[Reivaj]

I'll take a look, then I'll answer you, but in the cover says "The final edition rules".

The London militia, came back to England, before the end of the turn.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Reivaj
I'll take a look, then I'll answer you, but in the cover says "The final edition rules".

Yes, but the Final Edition rules were printed 4 times, that you can distinguish by their copyright date printed on the first page :
- 1996 : RAW1, the first original printed version.
- 1997 : RAW2.
- 2000 : RAW6.01. First binded rulebook.
- 2003 : RAW7a. Latest rulebook supplied with the game.

The ADG website also released upgraded versions of the rulebooks. The latest in date is RAW7-august-04, that you can download at ADG website.

I had done comparisons between the latest printed rulebook and the one you can download at ADG's website.
http://perso.orange.fr/froon/WiF/RAW7a-RAW7m.zip to see the changes from RAW7a (the printed one) to RAW7m.
http://perso.orange.fr/froon/WiF/RaW7m-RaW7august04.zip to see the changes from RAW7m to RAW7-august-04.
RAW7m was released a few days after RAW7a (the last printed one).
RAW7-august-04 was released in august 2004.

[Reivaj]

Wue have the spanish rules, but i don't know from wich english version
About the supply, betwen two cities connected by railway, in enemy's land,  have you to conquer all the railway hexes to use then?. Or only the cities conected by the railway?

Thanks for all!!!!

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Reivaj
About the supply, betwen two cities connected by railway, in enemy's land,  have you to conquer all the railway hexes to use then?. Or only the cities conected by the railway?

You need to control the railway hexes to use them, for supply or rail move.
However, you talk about cities in enemy territory. Cities in enemy territory are not supply source, except for the capital city if controlled since the start of the turn. The conquered capital city of an enemy country is only a secondary supply source, that need to trace supply to a primary supply source through rail. This rail has to be controlled by you. If the enemy control some hexes of this railway, you can count 4 hexes to go around this cut into the railway to still be in supply, otherwise the supply is cut.

[Froonp]

Wue have the spanish rules, but i don't know from wich english version

That's the problem of localized rules.
I for one prefer to learn English and use the original rules.

[Froonp]

When we have non english speakers who play, we have a translated rulebook for them (that is not up to date), but we always refer to the original version for rule disputes or to be sure.

[trees]

the original English can be tricky enough to parse, I've always admired the folks who don't start with English as their native language and dive into World in Flames anyway.

[Sewerlobster]

1) You really should pause and tidy your counters! [:D]
2) In regards to the Russian front -- I've found that stacking your units is not the best idea against an aggressive axis. Now with France doing so well you may not see it but the Russian defense is just begging for encirclement. As best you can a single stack line with attention to where Germany is prepositioning her troops will serve you better until Russia is ready for the offensive, then stacking at your point of attack.

[Reivaj]

I'm coming back, for some help again, now is for one discussion about the supply of this italian piece, it start at Ethiopia, then it conquered Sudan and move to Egypt.
The question is: Is it suplied or not?, the italian piece is at "el Cairo" but the train line ends before Sudan, so, we think that is suplied but, we aren't sure.



Thanks a lot.

Now I'm going to tell about the play, we are in the end of 1941 (NOV/DEC), the german player is trying to conquer Greece, the american player is in war now and the russian player (me) is not at war yet, I have produced all of the units os the 1942, I have two pieces of offensive and two more under construction.
What do you think about the german player, for me, is very conservative.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

I've sad news for you about the Italian unit.

Supply has to be traced to a primary supply source. For Italy that means a city in Italy. You could expend a supply point to transform an HQ into a primary supply source for 1 turn. Or, a face-up HQ could provide supply for one impulse, to as many units as it has reorganization points (Emergency supply). Both of those are optional rules.

But, in general, Italian units in Africa are out of supply unless they can trace to a Mediterranean port AND supply can be traced from that port across sea areas to an Iatlian port (whether that can be done depends on whether you are using the Limited Oversaes Supply optional rule, and other constraints).

The 4-3 in Cairo might be able to boil water, but he has no pasta to cook - that emaciated look with a distended abdomen indicating protein deficiencies.

EDIT: There is another active thread on supply lines that has some graphics you might find useful for understanding supply lines.

[Reivaj]

Thanks a lot Shannon!

[Sewerlobster]

Shannon -this brings to mind a question I have (it's been way too long since I played) -- looking at his situation (and with the exception the Italian unit is too far from a friendly port) could not the unit be supplied through an East African port around to an occupied French port to Italy?

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I've sad news for you about the Italian unit.

Supply has to be traced to a primary supply source. For Italy that means a city in Italy. You could expend a supply point to transform an HQ into a primary supply source for 1 turn. Or, a face-up HQ could provide supply for one impulse, to as many units as it has reorganization points (Emergency supply). Both of those are optional rules.

But, in general, Italian units in Africa are out of supply unless they can trace to a Mediterranean port AND supply can be traced from that port across sea areas to an Iatlian port (whether that can be done depends on whether you are using the Limited Oversaes Supply optional rule, and other constraints).

The 4-3 in Cairo might be able to boil water, but he has no pasta to cook - that emaciated look with a distended abdomen indicating protein deficiencies.

EDIT: There is another active thread on supply lines that has some graphics you might find useful for understanding supply lines.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: SewerStarFish

Shannon -this brings to mind a question I have (it's been way too long since I played) -- looking at his situation (and with the exception the Italian unit is too far from a friendly port) could not the unit be supplied through an East African port around to an occupied French port to Italy?

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I've sad news for you about the Italian unit.

Supply has to be traced to a primary supply source. For Italy that means a city in Italy. You could expend a supply point to transform an HQ into a primary supply source for 1 turn. Or, a face-up HQ could provide supply for one impulse, to as many units as it has reorganization points (Emergency supply). Both of those are optional rules.

But, in general, Italian units in Africa are out of supply unless they can trace to a Mediterranean port AND supply can be traced from that port across sea areas to an Iatlian port (whether that can be done depends on whether you are using the Limited Oversaes Supply optional rule, and other constraints).

The 4-3 in Cairo might be able to boil water, but he has no pasta to cook - that emaciated look with a distended abdomen indicating protein deficiencies.

EDIT: There is another active thread on supply lines that has some graphics you might find useful for understanding supply lines.

The supply route would not be able to pass through Gibraltar or Suez to reach an Italian port, so you are proposing going through Brest or some French port on the Bay of Biscay? Not very likely because there is also the question of enemy naval units with undisputed control of sea areas, thereby cutting the Italian supply lines. With Limited Overseas Supply, Italy would also need a TRS or AMPH in each sea area in order to trace supply through it - that would be a lot of units to build a supply line around Africa.

[Froonp]

With Limited Overseas Supply, Italy would also need a TRS or AMPH in each sea area in order to trace supply through it

Or CP.
A lot of units, yes.
Italy starts with 7 CP.

[Sewerlobster]

Two points: 1) I misunderstood limited supply to require naval units ONLY in those sea areas that had enemy activity. 2) Since Italy is now actively allied with at least Germany and possibly w/Japan -- Is it feasable to supply E.African units with a combination of Axis naval units? Say in a push to take Suez -- or South Africa

ORIGINAL: Froonp

With Limited Overseas Supply, Italy would also need a TRS or AMPH in each sea area in order to trace supply through it

Or CP.
A lot of units, yes.
Italy starts with 7 CP.