Stock FitE Karri vs Larry

[freeboy]

You are in great shape, u hold archangel and moscow! looks like ou are going to have a fun 42 43

[larryfulkerson]

Here's the Soviet view of the minimap moves movie from turns 46 thru 50:

[duckenf]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

You are in great shape, u hold archangel and moscow! looks like ou are going to have a fun 42 43

I'd agree -- he is no where near Moscow, Leningrad looks pretty solid, you're (reportedly) kicking the Finns' butts. The only downside is that he is looking to take Stalingrad from the rear and has free rein inthe Caucusus. A decent trade-off, I would say, especially if you're able to stabilise the front at or around Stalingrad.

What are the chances of making solid progress against the Finns? And what would that look like in 1942? Is it better just to hold them in stalemate/defensive posture and use the spare troops elsewhere or try for a knock-out blow to free up major amounts of troops for 1943?

[Karri]

I am currently trying to get the tursk into play and capture the rest of the Caucasus. That shouold give me significant reserves, which in turn means I can start an offensive in 1942. Right now pretty much all my troops are tied up and I have no strategical reserves.


EDIT:
Atually with the fall of Rostov I now have 1 pzd and 3 infantry divisions...

[larryfulkerson]

I just started my turn and noticed that the Axis dude has almost made a breakthrough near Stalingrad. This is what it looks like nowadays.

[Karri]

The backslah for Stalingrad and Caucasus however is that his replacement is going to go down a lot. Not to the same level as for me, but I doubt it's gonna be even a 3 to 1 superiority after 10-20 turns....well in infantry squads at least, the tank and aircraft production will stay superior for a long time. Now what I consider even more important is the supply difference. I get 5 from Maykop and Larry loses 5, plus 2 from Stalingrad.

[larryfulkerson]

Things must be desperate if the Axis dude has his HQ units in the front line:

[SMK-at-work]

Of equal significance has to be the makeup of thse 2 front lines - yuo've got 2 unitis in most of them, he has 1, and many of your top units are significantly stronger than his - let alone with whatever is underneath them - looks like prime target material although there are presumably reserves you can't see - the HQ's at het very least!!
 
But if he's been so kind as to put that HQ in the line then surely you are being insulting in not accepting his odffer to attack it??!! ;0

[larryfulkerson]

I've been in the habit of putting two dudes in each front line hex because I've discovered that they like to retreat when attacked and I'm hoping that if one does retreat then the other one might not.  Also, putting two units in each hex cuts down on the odds of him attacking somewhat, maybe.

[larryfulkerson]

Again I find HQ's on the front lines. How desperate are the Axis forces getting?

[larryfulkerson]

Here's some of the Soviet losses so far:

[Karri]

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work

Of equal significance has to be the makeup of thse 2 front lines - yuo've got 2 unitis in most of them, he has 1, and many of your top units are significantly stronger than his - let alone with whatever is underneath them - looks like prime target material although there are presumably reserves you can't see - the HQ's at het very least!!

It's all part of my strategy and tactics. Let's just say I rather have 3 fresh fortified infantry regiments in 3 separate hexes than 3 regiments in 1 hex. I can trade space for casualties and time. Having them all in one hexe just, thanks to mechanics of TOAW, exhausts ALL those units. If I have them in separate hexes then once Larry beats the first line there is a second FRESH and FORTIFIED line waiting, the only differenc being that Larry's units are exhausted and depleted. Which forces him to commit reserves, and then...I can counterattack.

Now, in theory that's how it goes....If I only had the troops.

But if he's been so kind as to put that HQ in the line then surely you are being insulting in not accepting his odffer to attack it??!! ;0

The officers need experience in the field as well

[larryfulkerson]

Here's the Soviet view of the front lines from turns 48 thru 52:

[larryfulkerson]

Here's some of the Soviet losses so far:

Enquiring minds want to know what the Axis losses are now! Hint, hint.

[larryfulkerson]

It's looking more and more like this is the beginning of the end. The Axis forces are going to wrap around the end of the Soviet line and destroy all the dudes there and then with the Turks joining in there's going to be enough force to take Moscow and everything.

It's almost all over except the shouting.

[SMK-at-work]

don't you get a big American airforce if the Turks arrive?  And the Turks are fairly mediocre as forces go - you get another 2 armies mobilised too don't you?

[Karri]

Here are the Axis losses so far:

[b]Infantry units Lost[/b] Irregular squad 36 Civil Police Squad 18 Military Police Squad 227 Mounted Rifle Squad(late) 1 670 Motorcycle Squad 4 043 Light rifle squad 92 Rifle squad 7 254 Heavy Rifle squad 35 387 Heavy Rifle AT- Squad 0 SMG squad 2 788 Assault Squad 3 252 Reconnaisance Assault Team 237 Engineer Squad 5 098 Rail Repair Crew 28 Ferry-Bridging Team 430 Support Squad 305 Civilian Group 27 Medium MG 10 860 Heavy MG 5 561 AT rifle 4 Heavy AT Rifle 3 337 [b]Total of this type: 80 654[/b]

[b]Artillery/Guns Lost[/b] 28mm AT Gun 76 37mm AT Gun 2 231 45mm AT Gun 50 47mm AT Gun 369 50mm AT Gun 1 134 75mm AT Gun 90 88mm AT Gun 0 65mm Light Gun 18 75mm Gun 2 836 75mm Howitzer 0 75mm ER Gun 0 100mm Howitzer 222 100mm Gun 0 100mm ER Gun 17 105mm Howitzer 321 105mm Gun 7 105mm ER Gun 0 120mm Gun 0 122mm Gun 6 128mm Gun 0 149mm ER Gun 4 150mm Howitzer 81 150mm Gun 729 150mm ER Gun 57 170mm Gun 0 194mm Gun 0 210mm ER Gun 5 220mm Gun 0 240mm Gun 0 305mm Gun 2 380mm Gun 0 420mm ER Gun 0 45mm Mortar 115 50mm Mortar 2 928 60mm Mortar 595 81mm Mortar 5 425 120mm Mortar 7 150mm Fixed Gun 0 240mm Fixed Gun 0 300mm Fixed Gun 0 380mm Fixed Gun 0 [b]Total of this type 17 325[/b] [b]Self-propelled artillery[/b] SdKfz 251/16 SP Gun 0 Wespe SP Gun 0 Hummel SP Gun 0 FH 18/40 auf 38H(f) SP Gun 0 150mm RR Gun 1 170mm RR Gun 2 200mm RR Gun 0 200mm ER RR Gun 0 210mm RR Gun 0 240mm ER RR Gun 0 280mm RR Gun 0 280mm ER RR Gun 0 340mm RR Gun 0 370mm RR Gun 0 400mm RR Gun 0 520mm RR Gun 0 800mm RR Gun 0 Armored Train 0 [b]Total of this type 3[/b] [b]MRLs [/b] 150mm NebelWerfer MRL 96 210mm Nebelwerfer MRL 5 280mm Nebelwerfer MRL 0 150mm Panzerwerfew SPMRL 0 [b]Total of this type 101[/b] [b]Other guns:[/b] Dual AAMG 152 20mm AA Gun 963 Quad 20mm AA Gun 31 Halftrack 20mm SPAAG 538 37mm AA Gun 75 Truck 37mm SPAAG 44 77mm AA Gun 7 88mm Dual Purpose Gun 42 [b]Total of this type 1 852[/b]

[Karri]

[b] Vehicles Lost[/b] Jeep 75 Medium Amphibious Scout Car 140 Wheeled MMG Scout 726 Wheeled HMG Scout 131 Wheeled 20mm Scout 415 Tracked MMG Scout 0 Tracked HMG Scout 542 SdKfz 231-6 21 SdKfz 231-8 819 SdKfz 233 0 SdKfz 234/3 0 Carro Veloce L3/35 4 Carro Veloce L6/40 0 39M Csaba 13 SdKfz 251/1 1 586 [b]Total of this type 4 472[/b] [b]Other [/b] Horse Team 2 872 Truck 8 870 Amphibious ferry 30 Tracked tractor 0 [b]Total of this type 11 772[/b]

[b]Tanks Lost[/b] Light MG Tank 7 LT-35 Tank 24 LT-38 Tank 0 FT-17 / MG 26 FT-17 / 37 32 Char leger 35R 49 PzKpfw 38t 566 PzKpfw I 81 PzKpfw IIB 221 PzKpfw IIF 294 PzKpfw II (flame) 63 PzKpfw IIID 10 PzKpfw IIIG 309 PzKpfw IIIH 499 PzKpfw IIIJ 7 PzKpfw III (flame) 0 PzKpfw IVD 332 PzKpfw IVH 0 PzKpfw V Panther 0 PzKpfw VIE Tiger I 0 PzKpfw VIB Tiger II 0 Geschutzwagen I 78 Sturmgeschutz III41 95 Sturmgeschutz III42 3 Panzerjäger I 59 Marder I 26 Marder II/III 0 Elefant 0 Nashorn 0 JagdPanther 0 Jagdpanzer IV/70 0 JagdTiger 0 JgdPz 48t Hetzer 0 38M Toldi I 11 40M Turan I 2 38M Toldi IIA 0 40M Turan II 0 40M Nimrod 0 40/43M Zrinyi II 0 M13/40 1 TACAM T-60 0 TACAM R-2 0 T-34/76 (early) 0 T-34/85 0 Strv m/37 0 Strv m/40/41 0 Strv m/42 0 Sav m/43 0 [b]Total of this type 2 795[/b]

[b]Equipment Lost[/b] Destroyer (early) 1 Destroyer 1 Light Cruiser 0 Heavy Cruiser 1 Battleship (early) 1 Battlecruiser 0 Battleship 0 River Patrol Boat 0 River Gun Boat 0 [b]Total of this type 4[/b]

[b] Equipment Lost[/b] Bloch 210 0 Bloch 131 0 Morane-Saulnier 406 41 Potez 63 0 Ju-86 47 Me-109E/F 1284 Me-109(late) 0 Ju-87(late) 719 Do-17 103 He-111 821 Ju-88(late) 1018 Me-110 397 FW-190 (early) 0 FW-190 (late) 0 Hs-129 0 Me-410 0 Me-262 0 CR-32 98 SM. 81 47 SM. 79 70 CR-42 Falco 60 G. 50 Freccia 26 M.C. 200 Saetta 57 M. C. 202 Folgore 0 SM. 84 0 Fokker D XXIII 45 PZL P. 24 22 PZL P. 37 22 IAR 80 111 SB-2 13 Blenheim 55 Hurricane 1 F2A Buffalo 31 [b]Total of this type 5088[/b]

[Karri]

Now everything else seem ok, I mean not too many losses, except for aircraft. That's one field where Larry is clearly winning. He won't need that US airforce for sure to gain air superiority, he already has it.

[larryfulkerson]

I think that one of those two armies that get mobilized when the Turks come in has already been mobilized when the invasion of Iran started. 
 
Karri is going to wrap around the lines there in the south and systematically destroy the Soviet army ( again ) and then the Soviets won't have enough units to mount a front line anywhere.