Barges how many and do they give points

[stldiver]

My PBEM with Jutland13 is now into Oct 43, we are fighting around New Guinea area and he has barges around like fleas on a hot summer day.

I notice only 100ft attacks work, currently only corsairs in the area, I understand Fighter Bombers do better, Occasionally dauntless's will attack but not often, best results seems to be subs! and a few small surface units.

My main question is do the Japanese have a limited or unlimited supply?

Do I get VP points for sinking these (troops loaded aside).

I notice they do not show up on the sunk list screen. Looking for answers to these and hints on swatting these pesky buggers!

[Feinder]

There is a fine number of barges, but they do respawn like MSWs (I think it's after 180 days).
 
Normally, you do NOT get points for barges.  I did notice that I have gotten points for exactly ONE barge tho (for 1vp), I'm not sure why.  The points were awarded just after installing the v1.804 patch, so I presumed there was something wonky with that.  But other than that, I've destroyed probably 40 or so barges (yes, I did keep track for posterity), and only awarded points for one of them.
 
-F-

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: stldiver

My PBEM with Jutland13 is now into Oct 43, we are fighting around New Guinea area and he has barges around like fleas on a hot summer day.

I notice only 100ft attacks work, currently only corsairs in the area, I understand Fighter Bombers do better, Occasionally dauntless's will attack but not often, best results seems to be subs! and a few small surface units.

My main question is do the Japanese have a limited or unlimited supply?

Do I get VP points for sinking these (troops loaded aside).

I notice they do not show up on the sunk list screen. Looking for answers to these and hints on swatting these pesky buggers!

No points... and i think no points for troops (glitch in the scoring system... possibly corrected).

Sort of Unlimited supply for the IJN - there is a production rate for barges, and any sunk are just put back into the queue (sort of like PTs in this respect). There is some speculation that if they are not sunk, they max out at some number - what the number is probably depends on what mod/scenario you are in... and i don't have any numbers for that off the top of my head.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

There is a fine number of barges, but they do respawn like MSWs (I think it's after 180 days).

Normally, you do NOT get points for barges.  I did notice that I have gotten points for exactly ONE barge tho (for 1vp), I'm not sure why.  The points were awarded just after installing the v1.804 patch, so I presumed there was something wonky with that.  But other than that, I've destroyed probably 40 or so barges (yes, I did keep track for posterity), and only awarded points for one of them.

-F-

Possibly it was carrying a cargo that was "valuable" - you are (sometimes) awarded bonus points for this (i.e. - you are supposed to get more points for an AK with cargo than without.)

[Mike Solli]

AGs aren't really "free" for the Japanese.  They become available in the pool but cost supply (can't remember how much) to create.

[String]

You get points for barges that are scuttled.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: String

You get points for barges that are scuttled.

i've heard that but never seen it - yet...

EDIT - so maybe that 1 point was for a barge in port when the port was captured...

[USSAmerica]

Points are awarded for barges that are scuttled, but not for barges that are sunk?  [&:]
 
There seems to be a strategy tip for the IJN here somewhere...[;)]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: USS America

Points are awarded for barges that are scuttled, but not for barges that are sunk?  [&:]

There seems to be a strategy tip for the IJN here somewhere...[;)]

It seems to be a glitch in the scoring system...

i would assume that the scuttling was involuntary - due to a sudden port capture, possibly by paratroopers, or unexpected assault on an atoll or something. But probably the first time it happened, it was a surprise to both players. [X(]

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: stldiver

I notice only 100ft attacks work, currently only corsairs in the area, I understand Fighter Bombers do better, Occasionally dauntless's will attack but not often, best results seems to be subs! and a few small surface units.

Fighter-bombers, set at any altitude, will drop down to 2K feet to bomb barges. I like using Beaufighters 'cause they have decent range & aren't good at much else, except maybe ground support. Plus one bomb hit from them will kill a barge every time. I usually fly them at 10-12K feet so they attack in 4 plane elements.

09/12/43
Day Air attack on TF, near Kendari at 33,71
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 10
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AG AG-5031
AG AG-359, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Sinks
AG AG-5068, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Sinks
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet

As you said, small surface units work well too. I've found PT boats particularly effective in close waters or a division of destroyers when there's more ocean to be covered.

[stldiver]

Thanks for all the info, it is of great value, I have 3 groups with 1 CA and a couple of DD's chasing these groups and one 8" shell works wonders, but in all battles no matter how many barges, sometimes over 20, they only attack 3 to 4 at then disengage.

Ctangus, I really appreciate your info and will implement as soon as possible, very detailed and to the point.

Thanks everyone.

[Feinder]

Engaging barges can be a hit or miss thing. Not sure if it's related to the orders that your oppoent give to his barge TF or not.

In one game, he had sent barges to invade Gili-Gili. And used them along with larger transports, to invade Port Moresby. Keeping PM suppressed with B-17s from Oz, I figured his next stop was Thursday Island. So I dispatched a trio of the Ozzy destroyers to Thursday, with "patrol no retire". Sure enough, about 3 days later, along come a big barge TF, with about 16 barges. My DD trio sank every last one of them in sequential combat rounds. Glug, glug, glug (and no more SNLF unit!). Naturally, I zoomed my DDs back to Oz asap, figuring that there would be Bettys from Lae looking for me. But he never did go back for Thursday.

But I've intercepted other barge TFs, only to sink 2 or 3 of the ants.

It could be that, the Thursday Island TF was "patrol no retire" attack, and so the DDs sank them all.

Not sure tho.
-F-

[stldiver]

Thanks Feinder,

That seems probable, as in my engagments so far his barges retreat to another hex, so they are not set to patrol, do not retire.

Well most of the barges in the area have been cleared, as he was using AK's and AS's for refueling them enmass, but those have all gone to the bottom.

I have also moved the Mk21 fighter bombers to the front.

Should be easier to handle them now.

[KPAX]

Barges can be great target practice for planes needing XP increases ....

[Feinder]

ORIGINAL: KPAX

Barges can be great target practice for planes needing XP increases ....

The XP is good, but they suck for loot, barely worth the effort. [;)]

-F-

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

ORIGINAL: KPAX

Barges can be great target practice for planes needing XP increases ....

The XP is good, but they suck for loot, barely worth the effort. [;)]

-F-

That's funny! D&D geek! [:'(][:D]

[KPAX]

for sure the loot sj\ucks, but you hit them before they unload and you keep the loot out of their hands as well.  [:D]

[Gibbons]

 
Not sure if anyone else does this but I occasionally hit the 'Create PT Boats' or 'Create Barges' button by accident when trying to form a new TF at a port. Is there any easy way to get rid of these unwanted PT Boats or Barges besides sending them to sink at the hands of the enemy? Thanks.
 
 
Gibbons

[String]

ORIGINAL: Gibbons


Not sure if anyone else does this but I occasionally hit the 'Create PT Boats' or 'Create Barges' button by accident when trying to form a new TF at a port. Is there any easy way to get rid of these unwanted PT Boats or Barges besides sending them to sink at the hands of the enemy? Thanks.


Gibbons

NO.