RHS Allied Aircraft [Final additions]

[el cid again]

Is there any type we should add? We have slots.

[showboat1]

Japanese Me-109
 
Heinkel He-112 - I looked this one up - The design we actually favored over the Me-109 by the test pilots, but the LW went with the 109. The -112 was slightly slower but more manouverable than the 109 with better manouverability and rough field capabilities.  Plus, 12 were shipped to Japan for the IJN which did dislike them for high wing loading, a reasonable complaint for carrier pilots.  In EOS they could be adapted in to the game as a land based interceptor.
 
Reggiane 2000 or 2005 - Yes I know there is no connection to them ever being used or even considered by the Japanese, but I just like it.  It was copied from the American P-35 but was vastly superior due to design changes. The inline 2005 was supposed to be even better while still using the P-35 wing and fuselage.
 
I believe that Kawanishi had plans for a jet powered flying boat - the Ki-200? - towards the end but it was in early planning when the war ended.
 
Some of these might be in there already but I haven't gotten to EOS yet so I'll just throw them out there
The Ki-70 Clara was a recon plane that never got put into production.
Ki-74 Patsy High altitude bomber/recon - 13 pre-production models built
Ki-94 interceptor - pressurized cockpit
Aichi S1A Denko - win engine a/c - not sure of role
 
 
 
 

[Mifune]

Allied Aircraft?

[el cid again]

Showboat: this is the wrong thread - this is the ALLIED thread.

I think you have confused He-100 with He-112 - it is the 100 that test pilots preferred to the 109. There were 3 100 and 12 112s in Japan. Ernst Hoenkel long lived in Japan at Hitachi - a town and a company.

There was no Jet powered Japanese flying boat until long into the modern era, but one eventually was built and still serves. Like all Japanese flying boat designs, it is based on US engineering. Even the Emily appears to be - based on a captured China Clipper type. I am something of a fan of flying boats - and there were in fact two other types in Wartime Japan - a trainer type with secondary patrol mission and a medium type. There was also a pre war tiny shipborne flying boat with a unique night tracking mission - only a handful of which served in the war.

[drw61]

I would Llike to see the P-51A (fighter) added. 
As an early war option the P-38F would be nice.
Or you could split the F6F into the –3 and -5 versions 
 
I know I'll hear about this one but... To add one more carrier slot get rid of the F2A-3 Buffalo.  The way the game is setup at the most it is used for only two or three weeks and by (I believe) only two units. Use this slot for the –3 and -5 versions of the F6F. 

[el cid again]

The Buffalo is too important to delete. However, any aircraft can be a carrier aircraft without much problem. It is degraded somewhat in terms of operational casualties - and that might be good simulation for the Buffalo! What you lose is the ability to move the Buffalo back and forth from land to sea - except for units that start on a carrier it would be land only. And that too might be good simulation! We have probably got more than two units - if you count land units too.

The P-51A is a good idea - and needs no art either.

Would you rather add these planes or have the French fly their real fighter vs a Hawk?

[showboat1]

How about the float fighter Wildcat? It's exotic and hasn't been used before and would give the Allies something they haven't had before, a float fighter.
 
North American P-64? IT's junk but could be an early war fill-in fighter.
 
BTM-1 - AM-1 Mauler? It didn't actually get into service until Dec. 1946, but what the heck?
 
Grumman JF Duck?  I loved this plane! Yeah, it's a sitting duck, pardon the pun, when fighters are around, but I would love to take a ride in one.
 
I guess the big question is what kind of type would we want to put in, fighter, bomber, attack, recon/search.  Any kind of consensus.

[el cid again]

Late war planes are a very bad idea: virtually no games will ever use them.

Early planes are much preferred. So are important types omitted/combined.

Otherwise it is just chrome - and we can separate the Vincent and Vildebeeste,
or the Coronado and the Boeing 314 Clipper - stuff like that.

[Elladan]

I would vote for P-51A, good aircraft, very useful early in the war when Allies look for any fighter they can get.

[showboat1]

P-64, P-51A, is P-70 included?

[el cid again]

Oh yes - always was - and we did not take it out. It is a night fighter.

[el cid again]

P-47C is gone (from x.73 - all levels) and we have gained a slot - not just in EOS - but in ALL scenarios.

This is because WITP all flavors are wrong to put this plane in the game - not a PTO plane at all.

P-47D has gained 2 more drop tanks (total of 3) - and an immense bomb load - and a bit of range -
so it is now 31/10/7 hexes. The plane now carries 1 x 500 pound centerline and 2 x 1000 pounders outboard
(at normal range) OR 1 x 205 gal tank and 2 x 75 gal tanks (at extended range). We cannot mount 150 gallon
tanks on the wings - code cannot deal with that (like the case of the three drop tank Mossy).

[showboat1]

Well, then I say F4F float fighter just because its ugly!  It's a hypothetical scenario so why not.

[el cid again]

P-51A has now replaced the P-47C in all RHS scenarios - well sort of. It replaced the P-47D slot - the P-47C and D being combined in the C slot.

P-51A and the A-36 both have drop tanks - but different functions (fighter vs dive bomber) and different gun armament.
Their ranges are similar - 17/5/4 hexes. Because of the way code works, the A-36 (virtually the same airframe) can carry bombs to extended range, but the P-51A cannot!

[el cid again]

An Allied float fighter is appropriate IF you think the Allies might have a use for it. Otherwise it is a waste of a slot.

In a sense all scenarios are hypothetical. But in another sense all of them are historical. We just use different hypotheses.

Note in this thread we NOW are talking ALL scenarios - and the P-47/P-51/A-36 changes are in ALL scenarios. But we still have free slots in EOS only scenarios. These need to be used for something important. If there is nothing - we will use them for Vichy micro flying boat recon planes from ships, Vincent, stuff like that.

[Bliztk]

P38F could be a good candidate for early use

[el cid again]

Seems excessive. We have 3 P-38 versions as such - not counting recon variations - and one of those is the G. The actual aircraft are represented by Gs.

[el cid again]

We are combining the Hawk's used by RTAF and using the slot for an ROC P-40B in Chinese colors.

[el cid again]

P-64: Total production 13 machines. Never used PTO. Never used in combat period - just an advanced trainer. Made for Peru but commandeered when WWII began. Note quite what we are looking for.

[jcjordan]

Is Curtis Seahawk & Seamew in there? Gives Allies something other than Kingfisher & SOC.