Fairey Battles and Boulton Paul Defiants

[Miller]

I wonder how the Defiant would have performed if they had got rid of the turret and 2nd crewman and gave it wing guns? At least as good as the hurricane perhaps? was only 20 mph or so slower as designed.

[Big B]

ORIGINAL: Miller

I wonder how the Defiant would have performed if they had got rid of the turret and 2nd crewman and gave it wing guns? At least as good as the hurricane perhaps? was only 20 mph or so slower as designed.

You mean the version below [:)]
From what I have read - it wasn't quite up to the Hurricane..

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/bo ... efiant.htm

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Oh....I can think of one....

Bristol F-2B Brisfit

It was probably the success of this aircraft that inspired the concept of the turreted fighter in the first place.

Unfortunately the designers appeared to have overlooked the fact that the Bristol Fighter DID have a forward firing gun and it probably was a factor in its success. The weight of the turret most likely eliminated this option on the later aircraft!!

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: bbbf

The RAAF had quite a number of Battles as trainers - but never looked at as a combat plane.

It must have really sucked seeing they sent poor bastards up in Wirraways as fighters in desperation.

The use of EATS training aircraft in a combat role was problematic at best. A bunch of pilots and a few aircraft do not make an (effective) combat squadron. There are instances of combat squadrons working up very quickly (75 Squadron RAAF in 1942 being a good example) but these were usually the result of a conscious decision to do so and required a priority on resources. The key positions 75 Squadron were filled with combat veterans from the Middle East.

Another issue was the disruption to the EATS training itself. The training program was very ambitious and Australia was barely able to make the quotas as it was. Australia took its EATS obligations very seriously (sending aircrew overseas whilst Australia itself was under threat) and would not have diverted EATS resources except as an absolute last resort.

Additionally, as I said previously, the aircraft themselves were British assets and would not have been released except under extenuating circumstances.

[m10bob]

Australian Fairey Battles

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... battle.htm

[Reg]

ADF Serials Home Page
Listing of Australian Battle Aircraft

[JeffroK]

I wonder how the Defiant would have performed if they had got rid of the turret and 2nd crewman and gave it wing guns? At least as good as the hurricane perhaps? was only 20 mph or so slower as designed.
If it had 4 engines it would make a great Lancaster.

I would rather see the engines and airframes (plus those wasted on the Battle) turned into the Hawker Henley and more Hurris & Spits.

[JeffroK]

Bristol F-2B Brisfit
Dick Doll's Bristol F.2B Brisfit The Bristol Fighter was the most successful two-seat fighter of World War I, and was buiIt to the extent of 4,470 aircraft between 1916 and 1926. It's included in the World's Smallest Air Museum collection because of that importance. Take care to understand the wing joining at the fuselage.
n 1917, the Bristol Fighter was a very misunderstood aeroplane. On 5 April, six Bristol two-seater fighters of No 48 Squadron took off on the aircraft's first operational mission. Only two returned. Near Douai the Bristol Fighters had been attacked by five Albatros DIlls, the aircraft they had been designed to fight against. But conventional two-seater tactics were hopelessly inadequate against the hard-hitting ...



After this, The RFC/RAF learned to fly them as fighters and they were very effective.

[ilovestrategy]

How the heck do you guys know all this stuff? I'm impressed!
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[Reg]

A lot of reading my friend, a lot of reading...

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

How the heck do you guys know all this stuff? I'm impressed!
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Some READ history...some are old enough it is still a recent memory.[;)]

[ilovestrategy]

I'm always reading history so I know a lot of what you guys are talking about but I still cannot compare. I'm always very careful about what I say in this forum. [:-]

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Some READ history...some are old enough it is still a recent memory.[;)]

You remember Bristol Fighters??? Now I'M impressed!!! [:D] [:D]

But seriously, I know what you mean. I now have TWO serious history books on my bookshelf that I have personal recollections of the described events. The really scary bit is that they weren't even in the last chapter!! Crikey they were only 20 years ago....

By the way ilovestrategy, don't be afraid to contribute. We really aren't that bad a bunch (unless you catch m10bob around feeding time...[:'(]).

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Some READ history...some are old enough it is still a recent memory.[;)]

You remember Bristol Fighters??? Now I'M impressed!!! [:D] [:D]

But seriously, I know what you mean. I now have TWO serious history books on my bookshelf that I have personal recollections of the described events. The really scary bit is that they weren't even in the last chapter!! Crikey they were only 20 years ago....

By the way ilovestrategy, don't be afraid to contribute. We really aren't that bad a bunch (unless you catch m10bob around feeding time...[:'(]).

[8D]

[ilovestrategy]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Some READ history...some are old enough it is still a recent memory.[;)]

You remember Bristol Fighters??? Now I'M impressed!!! [:D] [:D]

But seriously, I know what you mean. I now have TWO serious history books on my bookshelf that I have personal recollections of the described events. The really scary bit is that they weren't even in the last chapter!! Crikey they were only 20 years ago....

By the way ilovestrategy, don't be afraid to contribute. We really aren't that bad a bunch (unless you catch m10bob around feeding time...[:'(]).

[8D]

[m10bob]

Not off topic...I strongly recommend the asquisition of Martin Caiden's old book, RAGGED, RUGGED WARRIORS....It can be had on Amazon.com for as little as 24 cents, IIRC..Long out of print, it is valuable as a primer and narrative of the early air war in China, Burma, Pacific theatres, involving tales by the folks who were there, as told to Caiden, somewhat of a writing legend of this genre,(historical/military aviation)..

This book is where ya' start, and from it, you can figure out where to go next.
Anybody without this book should just go back to eating banana pudding and leave the rest of us alone.[:D]

(My opinion here is far more credible than Nik's threat against that poor duck, which likely did nothing against NIk, though I can't be sure.)

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Not off topic...I strongly recommend the asquisition of Martin Caiden's old book, RAGGED, RUGGED WARRIORS....It can be had on Amazon.com for as little as 24 cents, IIRC..Long out of print, it is valuable as a primer and narrative of the early air war in China, Burma, Pacific theatres, involving tales by the folks who were there, as told to Caiden, somewhat of a writing legend of this genre,(historical/military aviation)..

This book is where ya' start, and from it, you can figure out where to go next.
Anybody without this book should just go back to eating banana pudding and leave the rest of us alone.[:D]

(My opinion here is far more credible than Nik's threat against that poor duck, which likely did nothing against NIk, though I can't be sure.)

Great book, I remember reading it when I was in school, found it later and have it at work

(hmmm, been out of the Marines for almost 30 years now, so, that is a old book

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Not off topic...I strongly recommend the asquisition of Martin Caiden's old book, RAGGED, RUGGED WARRIORS....It can be had on Amazon.com for as little as 24 cents, IIRC..Long out of print, it is valuable as a primer and narrative of the early air war in China, Burma, Pacific theatres, involving tales by the folks who were there, as told to Caiden, somewhat of a writing legend of this genre,(historical/military aviation)..

This book is where ya' start, and from it, you can figure out where to go next.
Anybody without this book should just go back to eating banana pudding and leave the rest of us alone.[:D]

(My opinion here is far more credible than Nik's threat against that poor duck, which likely did nothing against NIk, though I can't be sure.)

Great book, I remember reading it when I was in school, found it later and have it at work

(hmmm, been out of the Marines for almost 30 years now, so, that is a old book

Indeed, partner, an old book, that is why it was written while those pilots were still alive..
Not any of this recent revisionist crap being propogated on another thread???[;)]

If anybody wants to read the book without buying it, go here and it will list a library near you with the book:

http://worldcatlibraries.org/search?qt= ... mit=Search

(Yeah, you can thank me later).[8D]

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: m10bob
Anybody without this book should just go back to eating banana pudding and leave the rest of us alone.[:D]

[:D] I need to steal this as my new sig quote. I love it.

[Feinder]

Mmmmm.  Bananna puddin'...
 
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