Operation Barbarossa 1941-division sizes

[Anonymous]

First time I have been in the editor. Opened this scenario as I think the settings for Axis are unrealistic as may be the case in all Eastern Front scenarios. As most of units are at divisional size I was suprised to find that the main component in a infantry division the rifle regiments were actually composed of an average of around 372 men! This is company strength. Each division shold have around 3 regiments of infantry, not squads.Given that a division is composed of around 10000 men at full strength this is entirely wrong. Therefore I doubled the rifle squad strength as I have noticed that Russian proficiency is same as for Axis, also not correct as many Russian units were short of equipment and many not up to full divisional strength.

I could not find a way of changing the rifle squad size globally without going through each divsion which is very arduos - is there a better way of doing this. What if I changed the division to make it up to something like 10000 men, is this possible, or would this slow down the game. Main drawback is that I would have to the same for Russian units otherwise the game would be unbalanced. Bottom line is to make the game more playable at the Axis at the beginning of Barbarossa, and the best way to do this seems to me to amend unit sizes but there must be a better way of doing this than having to amend every single division. I would also like to change OOB to include real names. Is it pos[font="Times New Roman"][/font]sible to attach regiments to divisions and then divisions to Army Corps, and Corps to Army Groups. Do I also have to change the authorised values?

Any suggestions

[golden delicious]

Well, leaving aside the obvious faults in numerous scenarios, including the Barbarossa scenario that comes with the game;

Although an infantry divisions may have a rifle strength of six or eight thousand, it does not follow that this is six or eight hundred rifle squads. A great many of those riflemen will be doing other things with their daily lives; loading a mortar, baking bread, checking papers, giving orders etc. etc. etc.

What you need to do is look at an organisational chart of some kind. For example;

http://niehorster.orbat.com/012_ussr/41 ... iv_00.html

Here you see a 1941 Russian Rifle division. It has three regiments, each with three battalions, each with three companies, each with twelve squads (indicated by the number of LMGs assigned to each company). This, plus the motorised company of nine squads in the recon battalion, makes for a total of 333 rifle squads in the official TO&E.

[Anonymous]

Thanks GD.

Is there a similar OOB page like this for Germany at 22/6/1941? Assume the regiment quantity refers to number of 'squads'. This vary enormously in size.

Ok, I understand that not all will be in rifle regiments. Ah, I see squad would be around 10 men, this makes sense.

Is there an easier way to increase the number say by applying a percenetage increase across the board? Or reduce the russian proficency/experience across the board?

Cheers

[golden delicious]

ORIGINAL: tony.uk

Thanks GD.

Is there a similar OOB page like this for Germany at 22/6/1941?

The root page for the OOBs on that site is here;

http://niehorster.orbat.com/000_admin/000oob.htm

You'll find it very useful. The German TO&Es are in the original Wehrmacht notation but are not too much more difficult to follow.

Is there an easier way to increase the number say by applying a percenetage increase across the board? Or reduce the russian proficency/experience across the board?

When you are in the force editor, you can use the pull down menus for the latter- edit-> modify current force-> modify units-> reduce unit proficiency

The quick way of reducing numbers of squads in every division would be to export the OOB to a text file (F4 in the force editor) then use the 'replace' function in the text editor before reimporting the OOB (F5).

N.B. if you are planning on embarking on a comprehensive overhaul of a scenario you will probably get better results if you start from scratch.

[Central Blue]

try this one to get a sense of how things fit together:

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/

[martijn]

Hi all, I think there may be some confusion going on here...
Having just purchased the game, I would have been shocked if such a fundamental mistake had been made, even it is an old (but major) scenario from the classic game!

Tony, I think what you are looking at are just the divisions' HQ companies. The actual regiments are seperate units.

Hope this helps,
Martijn