"1942" game questions

[Die Kriegerin]

Anyone know when the Tu-2 starts production? It's different than the manual. Do the factories auto convert? If so, from what. Do new factories appear for them?...Where in the #$%* are all the Soviet artillery factories? It seems the Germans are out producing them 2 to 1.

Jon

[davewolf]

Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
Anyone know when the Tu-2 starts production? It's different than the manual. Do the factories auto convert? If so, from what. Do new factories appear for them?...Where in the #$%* are all the Soviet artillery factories? It seems the Germans are out producing them 2 to 1.

Jon
The report file says: production start 7/43. Upgrade from the Il-4 AFAIK.

I love these equipment topics. I should really change my name to quartermaster.

Dave

P.S. I don't know how much artillery you're producing. It's never enough for me.

[davewolf]

Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
Anyone know when the Tu-2 starts production? It's different than the manual. Do the factories auto convert? If so, from what.

Jon
The Il-4 AND the Pe-2 upgrade to Tu-2 - I forgot the last one. - But remember: only the Pe-2 squadrons can be upgraded to Tu-2 manually, because the Il-4 is of a different type than the Tu-2.

Dave

[PMCN]

The whole artillary question is one that has bugged me for a long time. The soviets considered artillary to be "The God of War" and had lavish supplies of it (at least by the time Stalingrad rolled around). Their use of it was primitive even by the standards of the day but it existed in large quanties none the less. Virtually every village in russia was turning out 120 mm mortor tubes. But in WIR artillary is something the russians seem to be in increadibly short supply of. I have gotten to the point of prioritising factory transfers as Industry, artillary, aircraft, armor and then tanks. Without artillary the russians have a heck of time winning battles and while you get new tank factories and new plane factories you do not get any new artillary even though the russians must have started some...this is probably a limitation on the code itself...the question might be if it is not better to change some of those late arriving factories from tanks to guns.

[RickyB]

Good points, Paul. I will take a look at some of these things in the next update, as I would expect the Soviets to have more arty pieces, taking into account that the game treats them all as equal, if experience is equal.

[Die Kriegerin]

Paul, it seems there is alot of factory locations in the 1941 game, however in the 1942 game it poor. I'm only producing about 130 in Dec 42, and I haven't lost a factory. I've got nearly 50 divisions without any artillery.

Jon

[Lokioftheaesir]

Originally posted by Paul McNeely
...Virtually every village in russia was turning out 120 mm mortor tubes....

A neat trick

[PMCN]

Originally posted by Die Kriegerin
Paul, it seems there is alot of factory locations in the 1941 game, however in the 1942 game it poor. I'm only producing about 130 in Dec 42, and I haven't lost a factory. I've got nearly 50 divisions without any artillery.

Well I am not sure if this is a 41 campaign game that is now in 42 or if this is Case Blau game and the answers for this are different.

For a 41 campaign game did you send your artillary from (Kiev, Oddessa, Smolensk, Sevastapol, and a couple of other cities back to the Urals) or not?? If not then you are right out of luck as you get no new factories and you are now going to be trying to survive on what you have.

For Case Blau well that is what the game gives you. I do not believe it is even close to what the russians actually produced.

If you have 130 factory points in artillary you are making something like 6 times that much per week (factory value * some other number) is your production and that other number varies with time. But you need so much of it and you loose it so fast (the defenders gun (all types) losses are always high) that you will find yourself with a lot of "Brigades" (200+ Squads, 4 Artillary). Plus you have all your tank Corps which are artillary hogs and they have priority and then all those new ARTY divisions you get. You will find artillary is scarce. Generally I find the artillary crunch hits in october of 41 and I have never survived long enough as the russian (except against the computer which does not count) to see where it abates. So long as you are getting new formations...and you get a lot of them in 42 you will find your artillary is diluted. I wish the game built most of those divisions as Brigades instead (as was done historically) so that the artillary requirements per "divison" could be met. Also without artillary (especially) your attacks will suffer. I rather doubt you are able to get much in the way of air support yet.

There seems to be a direct relationship between leadership and priority for getting equipment so you might also want to look at that too.

[Die Kriegerin]

The point I'm talking about is that in the 1941 game, the Lend-lease-Siberia-Ural artillery production starts at 125. In the 1942 game, combined, starts at 39. Where did the factroies go? Not only did they not grow, they disappeared.

Jon