Allied HQ Slots

[el cid again]

We have 21 free Allied HQ slots.

Are any significant HQ missing?

[Bliztk]

Naval HQs in the West Coast, for repairing. With static devices to made them not mobile.

[el cid again]

Got some names? Like Naval District HQ I assume. If we define them as coast defense forts they will be immobile. We also can put a Naval District HQ at Oahu.

[tanjman]

cid,

Not sure if they are already in RHS but if you have 21 free slots I would reccommend:

USMC  1st Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  4th Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
RAAF First Tactical Air Force (mobile air HQ)
RCAF Western Air Command @ Victoria, British Columbia (Fixed air HQ)
USN Naval District 11 @ San Diego, CA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 12 @ San Francisco, CA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 13 @ Seattle, WA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 14 @ Pearl Harbor, TH (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 15 @ Balboa, CZ (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 16 @ Cavite, Luzon, PI (Fixed naval HQ)
RAN Fleet HQ @ Sydney, NSW, Australia (Fixed naval HQ)
RNZN Fleet HQ @ Auckland, New Zealand (Fixed naval HQ)
RIN Fleet HQ @ Bombay, India (Fixed naval HQ)

[drw61]

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Here are some USAAF HQ that can be added.
 
 
USAAF 2nd Air Force – 
 
STATIONS. McChord Field, Wash, 18 Dec 1940; Ft George Wright, Wash, 9 Jan 1941; Colorado Springs, Colo, Jun 1943-30 Mar 1946.
COMMANDERS. Maj Gen John F Curry, 18Dec 1940;Maj Gen Millard F Harmon, 5 Aug 1941;Brig Gen John B Brooks, 19 Dec 1941;Maj Gen Frederick L Martin, I Feb 1942;Maj Gen Robert Olds, 14 May 1942;Maj Gen Davenport Johnson, 25 Feb 1943; Maj Gen St Clair Streett, 9 Sep 1943;Maj Gen Uzal G Ent, 14 Jan 1944;Maj Gen Robert B Williams, 28 Oct 1944;Brig Gen Julius K Lacey, 21 Nov 1945
 
USAAF 6th Air Force -
 
STATIONS. Albrook Field, Panama Canal Zone, 20 Nov 1940-1945
COMMANDERS.Maj Gen Frank M Andrews, 6 Dec 1940;Maj Gen Davenport Johnson, 19 Sep 1941; Maj Gen Hubert R Harmon, 23 Nov 1942; Brig Gen Ralph H Wooten, 8 Nov 1943; Brig Gen Edgar P Sorensen, 16 May 1944; Maj Gen William 0 Butler, 21Sep 1944; Brig Gen Earl H DeFord, 24 Jul 1945
 
USAAF V Bomber Command –
 
STATIONS: Clark Field, Luzon, 14 Nov 1941; Darwin, Australia, Dec 1941; Java, Jan-Mar 1942; Townsville, Australia, 5 Sep 1942; Port Moresby, New Guinea, Dec 1942; Nadzab, New Guinea, 21 Feb 1944; Owi, Schouten Islands, c. 15 Aug 1944; Leyte, Nov 1944;Mindoro, Jan 1945; Clark Field, Luzon, Mar 1945; Okinawa, Aug 1945; Murayama, Japan, Oct 1945; Iruma-gawa, Japan, c. 15 Jan-31 May 1946.
COMMANDERS: Col Eugene L Eubank, 14 Nov 1941-unkn; Brig Gen Kenneth N Walker, 5 Sep 1942; Brig Gen Howard K Ramey, Jan 1943; Brig Gen Roger M Ramey, 19 Apr 1943; Col John H Davies, Oct 1943; Brig Gen Jarred V Crabb, 27 Feb 1944-31 May 1946.
 
 
USAAF V Fighter Command –
 
STATIONS: Ft George Wright, Wash, 4 Jun 1941;Ft Lawton, Wash, 19 Jun 1941-2 Oct 1942; Australia, Nov 1942; Port Moresby, New Guinea, Dec 1942; Nadzab, New Guinea, Jan 1944; Owi, Schouten Islands, Jul 1944; Leyte, Nov 1944; Mindoro, Jan 1945; Clark Field, Luzon, Mar 1945;Okinawa, Aug 1945. COMMANDERS. Brig Gen Carlyle H Wash, Jun 1941-unkn; Col Howard H Newman, 1942;Brig Gen Paul B Wurtsmith, 11 Nov 1942; Col Nee1 E Kearby, 24 Nov 1943; Brig Gen Paul B Wurtsmith, 13 Jan 1944 Brig Gen Frederic H Smith Jr, 10 Feb 1945; Col Hugh A Parker, 30 Sep 1945-31 Mar 1946.
 
USAAF VII Bomber Command –
 
STATIONS. Hickam Field, 29 Jan 1942; Funafuti, Nov 1943; Tarawa, Jan 1944; Kwajalein, Mar 1944; Saipan, Aug 1944; Okinawa, Jul 1g45-Mar 1946.
COMMANDERS. Maj Gen Willis H Hale, Feb 1942; Col Albert F Hegenberger, 20 Jun 1942; Brig Gen William E Lynd, 25 Jun 1942; Brig Gen Truman H Landon, 20 Jan 1943; Brig Gen Lawrence J Carr, 11 Dec 1944; Col Roy D Butler, Oct 1945; Brig Gen Carl B McDaniel, I Dec 1945; Col John J Morrow, 7 Jan 1946-unkn.
 
USAAF VII Fighter Command –
 
STATIONS.Ft Shafter, TH, 2 Feb 1942; Hickam Field, TH, 20 Oct 1944;Ft Kamehameha, TH, 18 Jan 1945; Iwo Jima, Mar 1945; Saipan, I Dec 1945; Guam, 15Apr 1946-24 Aug 1948.
COMMANDERS. Brig Gen Howard C Davidson, Feb 1942; Brig Gen Robert W Douglas Jr, Oct 1942; Brig Gen Ernest Moore, May 1944; Col Thayer S Olds, 4 Sep 1945; Brig Gen Winslow C Morse, 26 Sep 1946; Col Romulus W Puryear, Jan- 24 Aug 1948.
 
USAAF XIII Bomber Command –
 
STATIONS. Espiritu Santo, 13 Jan 1943; Guadalcanal, 20 Aug 1943; Los Negros, I Jun 1944; Wakde, 3 Sep 1944; Morotai, 17 Oct 1944; Clark Field, Luzon, 27 Aug 1945-15 Mar 1946.
COMMANDERS.Col Harlan T McCormick, 13 Jan 1943; Col James M Fitzmaurice, 6 Apr 1943;Brig Gen Glen C Jamison, 16 Jun 1943; Brig Gen William A Matheny, 10 Aug 1943; Brig Gen Carl A Brandt, 2 Feb-c. Oct 1945.
 
USAAF XIII Fighter Command –
 
STATIONS.New Caledonia, 13 Jan 1943; Espiritu Santo, c. 22 Jan 1943; Guadalcanal, Dec 1943; Sansapor, New Guinea, 15 Aug 1944; Leyte, 10 Jan 1945; Puerto Princesa, Palawan, I Mar 1945; Manila, Luzon, c. Nov 1945-15 Mar 1946.
COMMANDERS. Gen Brig Dean C Strother, 13 Jan 1943; Brig Gen Earl W Barnes, Jan 1944; Col Willard R Wolfinbarger, 16 Nov 1944; Brig Gen Earl W Barnes, 31 Jan 1945-unkn.
 
USAAF XXI Bomber Command –
 
STATIONS. Smoky Hill AAFld, Kan, I Mar 1944; Peterson Field, Colo, 11 Jun-20 Oct 1944; Harmon Field, Guam, 4 Dec 1944-16 Jul 1945.
COMMANDERS. Col John B Montgomery, 7 Apr 1944; Brig Gen Roger M Ramey, 15 Jun 19,44;Brig Gen Haywood S Hansel1 Jr, 28 Aug 1944; Maj Gen Curtis E LeMay, 20 Jan-16 Jul 1945.
 
 
 
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[Dutch_slith]

Commandement Marine (Dutch Naval HQ Soerabaja, maybe Range 1), Koenraad in command.
Departement Marine (Dutch East Indies Naval HQ), Helfrich in command.
Departement Oorlog (KNIL HQ), ter Poorten in command.
MLKNIL (Air HQ Militaire Luchtvaart = KNIL Air Force), van Ooyen in command.
MLD (Air HQ Marine Luchtvaart Dienst = Dutch Naval Air Force), Cpt. G.G. Bozuwa in command.

[el cid again]

RHS has a pretty fine set of USAAF commands - including

Far East Air Force / 5th Air Force
Hawiian Air Force / 7th Air Force
10th Air Force
Alaska Air National Guard / 11th Air Force
13th Air Force
China Air Task Force / 14th Air Force
20th Bomber Command
4th Air Force
Far East Air Forces

Dual named units have their original name first followed by their later name.
Technically the Far East Air Forces is another layer of command - but it is added anyway to allow it to have some impact.
Technically commands should not be included - they are below the air force layer of command - but 20th Bomber Command was special - under operational control independent of 20th Air Force which is NOT present on our map. This was a unique strategic bombing air force - and its HQ remained in the USA.

We don't have 6th Air Force in Panama - and I fear adding it might be a problem - since it would not be moved from there. I guess we might make it static.

There is also USN Airship Wing 3 - introduced by RHS - which if not USAAF is also a US air HQ.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans

Commandement Marine (Dutch Naval HQ Soerabaja, maybe Range 1), Koenraad in command.
REPLY: This is probably represented by the naval shipyard we added at Soerabaja. What other assets that influence the game did it have not also included in Departement marine?

Departement Marine (Dutch East Indies Naval HQ), Helfrich in command.

REPLY: This is probably ABDA Float in WITP - which I believe Helfrich also commanded. But if we made it a dual named unit it would then start the game instead of appear later. [DM / ABDA Float ???]

Departement Oorlog (KNIL HQ), ter Poorten in command.

REPLY: This is probably ABDA in WITP - which we might make a dual command that starts the game instead of appearing later. [KNIL / ABDA ???]

MLKNIL (Air HQ Militaire Luchtvaart = KNIL Air Force), van Ooyen in command.
MLD (Air HQ Marine Luchtvaart Dienst = Dutch Naval Air Force), Cpt. G.G. Bozuwa in command.

REPLY: This may be too small: do we know its size and assets? A command is technically just a HQ - but game "HQ" are collections mainly of support elements.

Thank you for this. I had forgotten to consider reviewing the Dutch. But their location and vital resources make this a central consideration in WITP.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: tanjman

cid,

Not sure if they are already in RHS but if you have 21 free slots I would reccommend:

USMC  1st Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  2nd Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  3rd Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)
USMC  4th Marine Aircraft Wing (mobile air HQ)

REPLY: We don't have the Wing Layer of command as such. However, air assets of 1st and 2nd MAW have been added to RHS - in the x.741 update - a total of six units - because they were significant. They appear as air groups rather than as HQ - but are named as HQ assets.


RAAF First Tactical Air Force (mobile air HQ)

REPLY: We DO have (all forms of WITP) RAF Third Tactical Air Force - so this seems justified. When did it form, where, with what assets (how much support)???

RCAF Western Air Command @ Victoria, British Columbia (Fixed air HQ)

REPLY: How big is this? When did it form?

USN Naval District 11 @ San Diego, CA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 12 @ San Francisco, CA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 13 @ Seattle, WA (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 14 @ Pearl Harbor, TH (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 15 @ Balboa, CZ (Fixed naval HQ)
USN Naval District 16 @ Cavite, Luzon, PI (Fixed naval HQ)

REPLY: Nice list - AKWarrior once sent it to me but I have not found it in my mountain of printed email.

RAN Fleet HQ @ Sydney, NSW, Australia (Fixed naval HQ)
RNZN Fleet HQ @ Auckland, New Zealand (Fixed naval HQ)
RIN Fleet HQ @ Bombay, India (Fixed naval HQ)

REPLY: How big were these? Are they big enough to consider = to major Fleet HQ?

[tanjman]

cid,

RAAF First Tactical Air Force started out as 10 (Operational) Group RAAF and was formed on 13 November 1943 and became the First Tactical Air Force on 25 October 1944.

Links:
Volume II – Air War Against Japan, 1943–1945 (1968 reprint) - Australian War Memorial: see chapter 12 for 10 (Operational) Group RAAF and chapter 18 for First Tactical Air Force.

Official Histories – Second World War - Australian War Memorial

Australian First Tactical Air Force - Wikipedia

Regarding the Marine Aircraft Wings (MAW) - I figured that since the RAF Group HQs were in the game and that using the Marine Aircraft Groups (MAG) as HQs would take up to many slots and that the MAWs could be used instead.

I'll have to get back to you regarding the others.

[el cid again]

OK - in RHS (as in CHS) we call a unit by its original name. And since there is a 9 RAAF Group already, we have someone's idea of what an RAAF Group HQ should look like. I duplicated it as 10 RAAF Group - set to the 1943 date you supplied - and it will appear at the Australian default point in any particular game. We cannot have it grow anyway - HQ do not work pointing at formations - so it appears in its original form and that is that.

[el cid again]

Departement Marine / ABDA Naval HQ is modified to a dual title unitand now appears at game start instead of in 1942.
This replaces the former CHS/RHS ABDA Flot HQ. Issued 2nd to last leader slot to commander - and there seems no such thing as an Allied Admiral! So he is a General with ADM in front of his name.

[Dutch_slith]

Commandement Marine (Dutch Naval HQ Soerabaja, maybe Range 1), Koenraad in command.
REPLY: This is probably represented by the naval shipyard we added at Soerabaja. What other assets that influence the game did it have not also included in Departement marine?

Commandement Marine
Bureau Personeel (Human Resources)
Inlichtingendienst (Naval Intelligence)
Ontwikkeling en Ontspanning (Rest & Recreation)
Gasdienst
Geneeskundige Dienst (Medical Administration)
Onderzeedienst (Sub Service)
Torpedo Atelier (Torpedo Service)
Naval Barracks Oedjong
Naval Barracks Goebeng (home of the Marinebataljon)
Marine Bewakings Afdeling (Naval Militia)
Dienst der Torpedomotorboten (PT-Boat Service)
School voor afstandswaarnemers (Observers and/or Fire Control Officers)
(torpedo-)Inschietbedrijf (another Torpedo Service)

Commandement Marine should be larger than the Departement Marine!

not under command of CMR (Commandant Marine Soerabaja) was the "Marine-Etablissement" (Naval Base) Soerabaja
with drydocks and other naval facilities. The Marine-Etablissement could be represented by the naval shipyard.

Departement Marine (Dutch East Indies Naval HQ), Helfrich in command.
REPLY: This is probably ABDA Float in WITP - which I believe Helfrich also commanded. But if we made it a dual named unit it would then start the game instead of appear later. [DM / ABDA Float ???]

Departement Marine
Departement Marine with CZM (Commandant Zeemacht = Commander Naval Forces DEI) existed throughout the war. It's role is the same as ABDAfloat, but ABDAfloat existed roughly 2 months.

Departement Oorlog (KNIL HQ), ter Poorten in command.
REPLY: This is probably ABDA in WITP - which we might make a dual command that starts the game instead of appearing later. [KNIL / ABDA ???]

Departement Oorlog
Hmmh. Departement Oorlog was the KNIL Army HQ, responsible for the KNIL and maybe the KNIL Air Force. There was - after evacuation to Ceylon - a new HQ called BSO (Bevelhebber Strijdkrachten in het Oosten = Commander Forces Far East) commanded by Helfrich who was also CZM. This HQ was superior to any Naval or Army HQ in the Far East. I think ABDA represents all ABDA-HQs, ABDAcom, ABDAfloat, ABDAair and ABDAarm and BSO should be its successor.

MLKNIL (Air HQ Militaire Luchtvaart = KNIL Air Force), van Ooyen in command.
MLD (Air HQ Marine Luchtvaart Dienst = Dutch Naval Air Force), Cpt. G.G. Bozuwa in command.
REPLY: This may be too small: do we know its size and assets? A command is technically just a HQ - but game "HQ" are collections mainly of support elements.

MLKNIL/MLD
They're small HQs, that is correct.

In my mod i gave

Commandement Marine 240 Support Squads
Departement Marine 60 Support Squads
Departement Oorlog 60 Support Squads
MLKNIL 30 Support Squads
I didn't create a MLD HQ, one Air HQ is enough.

Source: De Koninklijke Marine in de tweede Wereldoorlog by Dr. Ph.M. Bosscher

[el cid again]

Added 8th Naval District in New Orleans

11th Naval District in San Diego

12th Naval District in San Francisco

13th Naval District in Seattle

14th Naval District in Pearl Harbor

15th Naval District in Balboa/Panama City (half size)

16th Naval District in Manila/Cavete (half size)

17th Naval District in Kodiak (quarter size, 90% disabled)

RAN Naval HQ at Sydney (half size)

RIN Naval HQ at Bombay (half size)

RNZN Naval HQ at Auckland (quarter size)

USAAF Panama / 6th Air Force

ALL the above are static units.

[el cid again]

Since the Marine Air Wings existed - in a sense - as non HQ units in CHS, they also existed in RHS.
These were eliminated, after noting the carefully researched commanders, which were preserved in the new
RHS MAW - recreated as HQ units. These appear differently than in CHS:
1st 420512 with its component air units (that is, at wing level) - at the same time as 1st Marine Division becomes
available to sail for the theater.

2nd 421130 - at the time we can confirm its air units (that is, at wing level) existed. This unit probably formed earlier, but in the sense we are interested in, it does not exist when the war begins.

3rd 430515 - at the same time as 3rd Marine Division is available to sail for the theater.

4th 431215 - at the same time as 4th Marine Division is available to sail for the theater.

All appear at San Diego. PPO and EOS are assigned to US Pacific Fleet. All other scenarios are assigned to South Pacific.
All are MOBILE commands.

[el cid again]

Added Canadian Western Air Command at Victoria = 67% disabled.

[msieving1]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

17th Naval District in Kodiak (quarter size, 90% disabled)

FYI, 17th Naval District was formed April 15, 1944. Before then, Alaska was part of the 13th Naval District.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: msieving1

ORIGINAL: el cid again

17th Naval District in Kodiak (quarter size, 90% disabled)

FYI, 17th Naval District was formed April 15, 1944. Before then, Alaska was part of the 13th Naval District.

HMMM - that isn't clear on my WWII naval district map - but it is useful data. If I redo this, I think we will time delay it. Instead I made it 95% disabled - which may be more realistic - as there were assets there - and they did grow over time. But as we are frozen - this needs to be revisited at the next development phase.