Any Screenshots?

[Hard Sarge]

I got Grand Slams, the trouble is getting it to be a upgrade (we are working on bombs and devices to have start dates, upgrade paths, more so then what is already in the game, but that will be for the down the road goodies)

which, right now we got the 12,000 HC, the Tallboy comes in later and then the Grand Slam

[HMSWarspite]

How are you going to cope with the severe overload the Grand Slam produced on the Lanc? I believe the ceiling came down to c13000ft with one on board.

[Hard Sarge]

well, there are tricks with in tricks, if I can get some of the things I need, I can set up a one time deal with a unit, which would allow the unit to become the SP and have the right stats, but as of right now, I do not have the bomb set up, so do not have the unit set up for it (so, it can be done, it is just when can we get to it)

[Hard Sarge]

day 5 of a BoB41 Axis game

weather not great, but good enough, so mainly a day of rest

recon and Intruder done by Staff

working over the targets that the IT had in RL

[Ursa MAior]

I have seen units with say Me-109G6/U12 designation. Although you possess more knwoledge than me in this area for sure, but AFAIK these Umbau saetze were available for ALL types /109Gs e.g/. Is it a design decision to make them a different subtype of an aircraft? AFAIK they were so to say mission type outfits which could be chnaged within an hour.

THX for the answer. I'd like to try this one out (esp. the variable level MM sstem) but have to finish my MA thesis) in 4 months[:(].

[harley]

Ron and I worked out a system of "paks" that can be changed in and out of a base model aircraft instantly. We *might* put a delay in later, but right now, you can up-gun and up-armor certain aircraft.

Losses to the clean and pakked aircraft come from a common pool for the base model - ie FW190A8 and FW190A8/R1 draw stock from the same pool of replacements.

[Hard Sarge]

well, lets see if I can say it simple, and still keep it right

pretty much the R and M are really field level "Paks" that the blackmen could do at the field level, U kits were mainly done in the factory or in rear area repair depots

so for the most part, we have added R paks that the player can pick from (only one choice per plane that is allowed a Pak)

so saying a Bf 109 G6 can be clean, can carry rockets, or can put on a R6 pak of 2 20mm underwing cannons

(which to be honest, adding the Rockets should also be seen as being a Pak change, but the work to change the name is not worth it)

the U changes are more done with the production models

what Harley is saying, is a unit armmed with planes with a Pak, will draw replacements from the default model stockpile, you do not need to build that type of plane model, so again, a Bf 109 G6/R6 will draw replacements from the Bf 109 G6 stockpile

for the FW the FW 190 A8 does not pak to the A8/R8

the normal A8 was a true fighter and will have a Pak making it into a FW 190 A8/R1 (2 13 mm MG 131s and 4 20 mm MG 151s for the A8, while the A8/R1 will have 2 13 mm and 6 20 mm)

the A8/R7 will be a Assult Fighter, with more Armor and will need to be produced as it's own model, the A8/R7 will pak to the A8/R8 (2 13 mm and 4 20 mm for the R7 and 2 13 mm and 2 20 mm and 2 30 mm for the R8)

just in case, for those that don't know, most of the Paks, added weapons, but also needed to take weapons away, so the R1 in this case, is a pair of duel 20 mm underwing gun pods, but to add them, the outer wing 20 mm had to be removed, the R8 removed the wing gun and added a 30 mm cannon in its place, while the R3 (not using it) removed the wing gun and placed a 30 mm 103 under the wing for ground attack)

one hassle with the letters, is each plane does not use the same numbers, so something for the 109 may not be the same for the 190 or the 410

as I have said before, I may confuse the issue more by explaining then by keeping my mouth shut

[Hard Sarge]

just in case

the term blackmen when used with the LW or WWII, means groundcrew

[cantona2]

This looks good. Looking foward to it

[Rebel Yell]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

just in case

the term blackmen when used with the LW or WWII, means groundcrew

Sorry, you said something, in public, that someone might find a way to be offended about. You'll have to resign and live the rest of your life in disgrace and exile.

[;)]

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Rebel Yell

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

just in case

the term blackmen when used with the LW or WWII, means groundcrew

Sorry, you said something, in public, that someone might find a way to be offended about. You'll have to resign and live the rest of your life in disgrace and exile.

[;)]

well, to be honest, that is not why the 2nd post, the 2nd post was to explain the term and how it fits in with the LW in general

[Denniss]

The Fw 190 A-8 Sturmbocks usually had their MG 131 removed and openings faired over. This was done to save some weight and because the MG 131 was more or less useless against bombers. Applies to A-8/R7 and R8.

[Hard Sarge]

well, the books I am using, still show the A8/R7, /R8 as having and useing the 2 MG 131s

I do see where the A9/R8 has two different load outs, one with the MG and another with out

so, that may of been a pilot request (a lot of the R8s had the side Armor cockpit plates removed, the plane would still come from the factory with the plates added)

(also, not all FWs carried 4 20 mm wing guns, some pilots felt the plane was better with out the weight, balance effect of the two outer guns, but again, the plane would come from the factory with 4 guns)

the Gs tended to not carry the MGs, but some of the Fs only carried the MGs (mainly night support)

(Butcher Bird, by Edward Shacklady)

[Denniss]

Then your book has it wrong, Production Sturmböcke had the MG 131 removed.

[Hard Sarge]

I think I got the same doc, but in English (Mombecks Sturmstaffel 1)

that may be a tricky one to read, read the rest of it

it says the A6 and gives the details, then the A7 and says, like the A6, but, then the details on the A8, is like the A7, then it breaks down the weapon load out for some of the R Kits

A8/R1 2x2 MG151 under the wing

A8/R2 2x1 MK108 in the wing

A8/R3 2x1 MK 103 under the wing

A8/R8 see detail for A9/R8 (replaced the R2)

A9 similar to the A8

A9/R8 2 MG 151 in inner wing
         2 MK 108 in outer wing

so, I see that as saying that is the difference in the R pak, not the total weapon load out

I do see pics of A7s with the 13mms removed, but also see them with them in use

statements by the pilots, they used the 13mm and 20mm to try and knock out the tail gunners as they closed range, and then fired the 30mm for the kill

[Ursa MAior]

THx guys for the answer. I am still busy understanding the second part of Sarge's first msg (FW-190 part). So A8R8 does not draw from the A8 pool? Does it draw from A8Ranything or dedicated A8R8?
 
 

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

THx guys for the answer. I am still busy understanding the second part of Sarge's first msg (FW-190 part). So A8R8 does not draw from the A8 pool? Does it draw from A8Ranything or dedicated A8R8?

sorry, that is what I meant when I said I may confuse things when I try to explain them

we have a Standard A8 model, which will be changeable to the A8/R1 model

and then we have a A8/R7 model, which can be changed to the A8/R8 model

I wanted to break these two plane into different base models, as the Sturm version was more then just changing a weapon load out

and Harley as a programmer and a player, didn't want me making major changes to the model stats based on the Pak, and since the R8 will be a major change over the A8, we went with 2 base buildable models

sooo, in the long run, the A8/R7 will be armed more like a standard 190, but will still have heavier Armor plate (engine, cockpit, wings) while the A8/R8 will also have the extra Firepower of the 30mm, but will be a bit more sluggish

[Ursa MAior]

THX. BTW Sarge when do you sleep? It should be around 3-6 am in most US. [;)]

[Hard Sarge]

I work nights, graveyard shift, so I am on the boards in the morning, afternoon and at times at night

I getting ready to try and take a nap now, wanted to check the board before I passed out

it is 10:20 my time right now

[Hard Sarge]

okay for what it is worth, some changes to the FW 190s

the A5 has 2 MG 17, 2 MG 151 and 2 MG FF, NO pak other then it can be armed with rockets

(there was only one R pak for the A5 and that was the rocket load out, the rest that may confuse some of the writers, were U's and mainly only one of each built and tested for other planes, the A5/U12 should be what others see as the A6/R1)

A6 has 2 MG 17, and 4 MG 151, a R Pak to A6/R1, with 2 MG 17 and 6 MG 151
A8 has 2 MG 131, and 4 MG 151, a R Pak to the A8/R1, with 2 MG 131 and 6 MG 151
A8/R7 has 2 MG 131, and 4 MG 151, a R Pak to A8/R8, with 2 MG 131 and 2 MK 108

(MG 17 is a 7.9mm MG, the MG 131 is a 13mm MG, the MG FF is a 20mm slower firing cannon, the 151 is a faster fireing 20mm cannon, the MK 108 is a short barrel, fast firing 30mm Cannon)