Allies last date to start offensive to win the War ???

[Cavalry Corp]

Ok its stock PBEM , PDU on .

Its Jan 43 no allied or Jap CV has been lost but the allies have lost 4 BB 4 CA and lots of DD ( JAPS LOST 1 CVL AND 2 CA ) , I hold Lunga , PM , GG etc all now well prepatred

When are the allies going to have to start an offensive to win the War before game ends ??

Seems to me they need to start soon as in Real life in Jan 43 they were already advanceing quite well ?


Regards
Michael

[Terminus]

Actually, they weren't. The South Pacific was a grinding slog in 1/43, the Japs only beginning to evacuate Guadalcanal. Huge amounts of Allied resources were sucked into the Solomons and New Guinea, and the only other offensive operation until 11/43 was the invasion of Attu and Kiska. Tarawa didn't happen until the second half of November of that year.

What I'm trying to say is, no rush.

[erstad]

I don't have a specific answer to your question, but if you still hold PM, GG, and Lunga in Jan 43 and they are "well prepared" (by which I assume you mean secured, reasonably supplied, etc.) I would guess you are already doing much better than most - those should be Japanese.

Note that in general advances can run very fast in WiTP. This benefits the Japanese early on, but benefits you now. So it's not like you're running out of time just cause it's 1/43. And the game runs longer too.

My suggestion would be to start inching along new guinea and the solomons under the cover of LBA. If those three bases are solidly in your hands, that should be very doable. There can't be a division on every little island, and if there is one on any given island, well, you didn't really want that one anyway. Get a few L4/L5 airbases in range of Rabaul, and that's neutralized. Start walking the coast of NG towards the Phillipines.

Just one guys thoughts.

[Cavalry Corp]

Thanks interesting - I am the Japs
But I see what you say and that is not possible for the allies at the moment
M

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Ok its stock PBEM , PDU on .

Its Jan 43 no allied or Jap CV has been lost but the allies have lost 4 BB 4 CA and lots of DD ( JAPS LOST 1 CVL AND 2 CA ) , I hold Lunga , PM , GG etc all now well prepatred

When are the allies going to have to start an offensive to win the War before game ends ??

Seems to me they need to start soon as in Real life in Jan 43 they were already advanceing quite well ?


Regards
Michael

If I would hold PM, GG and Lunga as the Allied in 1/43 then everything in range of B-24 (means 14 hexes) would be bombed into stoneage. Lunga can be built to level 8 airfield, GG to 6 and PM to 6 also IIRC. Even with the stacking limits I have in all my games this would still mean 1000 airplanes, so around 500 bombers which would mean perhaps 200-250 4Es. Lots of Beaforts for torp attacks. Even P38 are available and in one month Corsairs.... Looks like the Allied are ahead of what they are expected to have achieved at that date... [X(]

[Terminus]

Well, like he said, he's playing the Japs, so they're holding PM, etc. That complicates it a little bit for his opponent, since he'll probably have to make the hop from Oz to PM, unless he wants go for an Operation Cartwheel+++ and just isolate the whole area.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Thanks interesting - I am the Japs
But I see what you say and that is not possible for the allies at the moment
M

Everything can depend on what the relative score is... if you have all your ships but your opponent has shot down every plane you have, he can possibly win without taking any territory (iirc, you need a 1.75 vp ratio in 1945 to win).

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, like he said, he's playing the Japs, so they're holding PM, etc. That complicates it a little bit for his opponent, since he'll probably have to make the hop from Oz to PM, unless he wants go for an Operation Cartwheel+++ and just isolate the whole area.

oops, misread that one...

[Cavalry Corp]

One thing is for certain the bases he needs to hop to are in range of 4E and P38 but nothing else . Those bases are therfore some distance from his. This is my plan .

If anyhing I suppose PM ( and to an extent GG ) is a big base closer to OZ tnha i may like .

Michael

[niceguy2005]

IMO, its not when you start the offensive as much as how much you can get Japan to engage and lose through attrition. Japan folded like a house of cards because it had lost so much of its manpower through attrition.

[6971grunt]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Ok its stock PBEM , PDU on .

Its Jan 43 no allied or Jap CV has been lost but the allies have lost 4 BB 4 CA and lots of DD ( JAPS LOST 1 CVL AND 2 CA ) , I hold Lunga , PM , GG etc all now well prepatred

When are the allies going to have to start an offensive to win the War before game ends ??

Seems to me they need to start soon as in Real life in Jan 43 they were already advanceing quite well ?


Regards
Michael

Once he gets his Essex Class carriers to supplement his present CVs and with the addition of F6Fs and Corsairs - he will challenge you for naval supremecy and he will prevail. They are the big gorilla on the block and you best stay out of their way [I still have nightmares[X(]].

If I were him, once naval superiority is established, I would work to by-pass the entire SOUPAC and work to isolate all South from Truk by working the the Central Pacific to Saipan and that Island chain.

Sorry, I'm being overly gloomy.

[herwin]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Ok its stock PBEM , PDU on .

Its Jan 43 no allied or Jap CV has been lost but the allies have lost 4 BB 4 CA and lots of DD ( JAPS LOST 1 CVL AND 2 CA ) , I hold Lunga , PM , GG etc all now well prepatred

When are the allies going to have to start an offensive to win the War before game ends ??

Seems to me they need to start soon as in Real life in Jan 43 they were already advanceing quite well ?


Regards
Michael

The 43-45 Central Pacific offensive basically followed War Plan Orange, starting with base development in the Tonga Islands in mid-1943 and the opening attacks in November 1943. That would be the key time-table.

[AHFlattop]

watch then the British carriers gets transfered to SWPAC. I would watch out for 2 axis of attack; 1 through Timor-Ambiona-Northern NG and the other through CentPAC (to isolate SouthPAC from the east and north and capture the marianas. The allies would have around 7-8 CVs plus by mid '43 about 3 or 4 CVLs & CVE to keep up to strength and switch between both axis to support both axis after a 2 week transit. Sydney can upgrade US ships. Watch out when the Allies achieve greater than 3:2 advantage in Carriers. This should be mid '43/2nd half '43. Lack of carrier support means lots of AK/AP points due to sinking for the Japs (win by points). The Allies main target would be Siapain/Guam ASAP to start the strategic bombing by start of '44. Lunga an PM can be put out of commission by 4E. Once either falls then Raubauls end is a matter of time. Allies Capturing bases really a resource efficiency management issue. It should be an exciting 12 months.