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[seaforth7]

As I said, I'm in the Sept-Oct first impulse and there is 0 French rail capacity, I've run it several times and always 0 French rail capacity,

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[*Lava*]

ORIGINAL: seaforth7

As I said, I'm in the Sept-Oct first impulse and there is 0 French rail capacity, I've run it several times and always 0 French rail capacity,

Same here, but I'm in a PBEM game... ouch!

Ray (alias Lava)

[hjaco]

Hi Seaforth7,

Sorry but how the hell did you get a Belgian artillery [X(][X(][X(]

[SMK-at-work]

Belgium and Serbia each get an artillery as a reinforcement on the 2nd turn in the new version of htebeta which isn't available to the public yet.

I'm not sure that it's justified for Serbia at least....they didn't have a lot of artillery.

[hjaco]

Oh yes they did.

When AH arrogantly invaded Serbia after war was declared, they stupidly advanced right into the Serbs prime artillery training area and was pulverized

No wonder they lost the war [:D][:D][:D]

[hjaco]

Battle of Cer

Orders of Battle: the Serbian Frontier, early August 1914
Immediately following full mobilisation
5. Armee, GdI Liborius Frank
VIII. Korps, GdK Artur Giesl v. Gieslingen
Chief of staff, Obst Ludwig Sündermann
9. inf. div., FML Viktor v. Scheuchenstüel
17. inf. brig., GM Franz Daniel
18. inf. brig., GM Josef Mayrhofer v. Grünbrühel
9. feld art. brig., GM Rudolf Laube
21. Landstürm inf. div., FML Artur Przyborski
41. Landstürm inf. brig., GM Othmar Panesch
42. Landstürm inf. brig., GM Alois Podhajski
21. feld art. brig., Obst Karl Hinke

First Invasion of Serbia, August 1914

Under the command of GdI Liborius Frank in the 5. Army, General Artur von Giesl ordered his VIII. Corps across the upper Drina river above its confluence with the Jadar river on the night of 11 August 1914. To their left, the Cer Ridge rose above the valley, dominating the approach to Valjevo. Giesl was instructed to take the Cer Ridge and thus give the Austrians control of the heights and the advantage.

General Vojvod Stefan Stefanovic of the Serbian 2. Army moved fast to arm the exposed Macva salient, and had the whole Cer ridge lined with Serbian artillery and mountain troops within a few days of the Austrian invasion. Giesl meanwhile had occupied the length of the Jadar river’s right bank, and launched an attack toward the western spur of the ridge to seize the northern slopes. By 18 August, the entire Cer ridge was in Giesl's hands after a ferocious duel with the Serbians, but Kozaningrad on the eastern end was retaken by Stefanovic within a day by a decisive counterstroke on the morning of 19 August, which broke the VIII. Corps.

Giesl was forced to abandon the whole Cer ridge after this action, and in turn Frank ordered GdI Adolf v. Rhemen to clear his XIII. Corps from the south. Otherwise, the 5. Army would lose an entire Corps as the Serbian 2. and 3. Armies swept down the Jadar from either ridge. By August 24, the VIII. Corps was back across the Drina, after suffering heavy losses.

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But basically the Serbs ran into the same problem as other countries in the war - insufficient stock and resupply ability of munitions.

Still AH lost 247.000 out of 450.000 troops engaged though better equipped but the Serbs counterattacked the hell out of AH.

[SMK-at-work]

Advancing into whatever artillery is available does not mean they had a lot of artillery available, especially not, IMO, the type of high-level heavy artillery that is simulated by artillery units.

The serbs don't actually get the unit until the 2nd turn....a bit late for those early battles!!

[hjaco]

ORIGINAL: SMK-at-work

The serbs don't actually get the unit until the 2nd turn....a bit late for those early battles!!

I will grant you that SMK.

But the far majority of artillery used at start of war was of inferior calibers. Although there were some good stuff around like
the deadly 75 mm field gun the French army used, which had a staggering ROF 15/min [X(]

[SMK-at-work]

Yeah but Serbian equipment was not so useful; - there's a photo of a Serb 3" gun at http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... gun_01.jpg and http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... eat_01.jpg - you'll note the old design - it has a fixed barrel - no recoil mechanism. 

6" hpowitzers at http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... gun_01.jpg are similarly archaic even for that era (it's a bit hard to see, but the 2 raramost howitzers appear to show barrels with no recol mechanisms)

The Serbs did have some "75's" and other modern guns but AFAIK most of their artillery was quite old.

Eg http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... gun_01.jpg - seems to have a recoil mechanism

http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... ery_01.jpg - seems to be same sort of gun as above

These appear to be 75's - http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/gra ... ery_01.jpg

[boogada]

But does Serbia ever get any artillery points? You definitely can't buy any. 

[SteveD64]

I'm currently reading John Reed's "The War in Eastern Europe" and he travels to Serbia during the war and describes seeing Russian, French and British marines manning huge naval guns that the respective countries had delivered to Serbia.  This is of course anectdotal evidence but interesting nonetheless.  I really recommend the book (he's the same author who wrote "Ten Days that Shook the World" about the Russian Revolution).
 
So when's the patch coming out?  [;)]

[jnier]

Artillery units represent enourmous concentrations of howitzers that are capable of firing an incredible number of shells. I saw one source that estimated the french fired 32,000,000 artillery shells at verdun. That's in one battle alone. That gives you a feel for the scale that artillery units are supposed to represent.

Smaller artillery formations, like much serb artillery, are abstracted and included in infantry corps.

[SMK-at-work]

No yuo can't buy Serb artilley points - i expect they arrive at random and frustratingly long intervals like their replacements and HQ points.

[Snowbart1943]

Ive been away for a few days....has an official release come out, or is the beta now the official 1st patch? 

[Erik Rutins]

We should have a new public beta up tomorrow, followed by a planned release early next week. You all turned up quite a few little bugs which have kept Frank busy. Should be all fixed now but we'll give it the weekend to percolate. Here's the updated list of additional changes:

- Bulgaria not showing up in Entente list if Germany declares war
- Return to base problem for naval units
- Naval combat no longer simultaneous
- Cavalry movement restrictions better enforced
- Starting position problem for the Ottoman Empire
- Addition of rail movement on the first of war for the Ottomans
- Problem of Austrian territory after Austrian surrender
- Problem of "decisive victory" not showing up
- No longer display ability to refit corps when supply is under 10%
- Artillery units retreating into neutral countries when no other option exists
- Air recce oddity that could sometimes occur
- Territorial adjustment if Italy surrenders to France
- A "division by zero" error
- And an "access violation" error (both found using saved games)
- A freeze error caused by a glitch in Amphibious movement

[Joel Rauber]

[8D]

Everyone pat themselves on the back

[flintlock]

Many thanks for the great support.

[randell765]

Big list,good job.

[Will_L_OLD]

ORIGINAL: FrankHunter

Will, your 2nd point, if you have a saved game of that happening email it to me and I can fix it if its a problem or explain it.

fhunter@telus.net

Sorry to take so long to get the info to you, been very busy. Sent you three save games, the activation phase, orders phase and subsequent activation phase. Thanks!

[*Lava*]

So...

Is it correct that in the Sep-Oct 1914 move the French have no rail points?

Ray (alias Lava)