Jack Tony Tojo

[Cavalry Corp]

Should I think about moving production over from the Tony or Tojo to Jack
Its March 43 and the Jack will soon appear do I need three IJAF fighters and why ?

Is the Jack the best one and why ?

I still have good pilots with units mostly 70+ exp some over 80 a few around 60


PDU on Stock 42-46 campaign

Michael

[DuckofTindalos]

Jack's Navy, not Army...

[jwilkerson]

Well the Army flies the Tony and Tojo and the Navy flies the Jack .. so I wouldn't switch over either way ... I'd run both sets. Uh I DO run both sets!

[Cavalry Corp]

oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....

[DuckofTindalos]

Land-based IJNAF, yeah... Not carrier-based. And the Jack is worth it.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....

Yes, but maybe not all Zeros should go to Jacks. The Jacks have much shorter legs and so the Zeros are still the pre-emminent Betty/Frances escorts. But I've converted about half in my current game with Moses.

[SireChaos]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: cavalry

oh my mistake - so the Navy can go from Zeros to jacks .....

Yes, but maybe not all Zeros should go to Jacks. The Jacks have much shorter legs and so the Zeros are still the pre-emminent Betty/Frances escorts. But I've converted about half in my current game with Moses.

But the Jack has the not insignificant advantage of being built using Mitsubishi engines - not Nakajima engines as almost all other fighters. So producing many Jacks does not take away any engines from the production of Army fighters (or carrier-based Zeroes). And considering that you can build 2 Jacks for the engines you´d build 1 medium bomber with, you do not cut all that significantly into bomber production, either.

[DuckofTindalos]

Yup... It's all a trade-off...

[m10bob]

Tojo and Jack are both great climbers IRL and should be used where hi flying B 29's are expected..

[DuckofTindalos]

Unless of course Frank's around to play... Or Shinden...

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Tojo and Jack are both great climbers IRL and should be used where hi flying B 29's are expected..

I don't know if its the pilots or what but so far Jacks are proving to be a real bitch in my game. My P-38 squadrons get no joy from facing off against them.

[Cavalry Corp]

So the climb rate is v important ?

M

[DuckofTindalos]

It's one of the important characteristics, certainly. Speed is probably the most important one.

[m10bob]

IRL climb and speed are very important.
The reason climb rate is (to pilots) the most important is that all planes lose altitude anytime they make a turn. To turn a plane, without losing altitude, a pilot generally will push the throttle forward to feed more fuel, and pull ever so slightly back on the stick, (to keep the plane in a climbing mode, while turning.
The more maneuverable planes will generally have an abulity to turn longer before they lose their altitude and or speed sufficient to stall out.
This is why in WW1 a Fokker Dr1 triplane which only flew at 103 mph (on a good day) was a match for a SPAD 13 with a speed of 137, (truly one of the fastest planes of that war).
BTW, some folks don't know that in WW1 some of the German planes had a little wing between the landing wheels, which of themselves were sufficient to carry the weight of the pilot! The Fokker D 7 comes to mind, as does the D 8..
That little wing was considered a "secret weapon" as important as the later F 86's "floating tailplane"..

[Cavalry Corp]

Thanks for that- interesting

m

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Should I think about moving production over from the Tony or Tojo to Jack
Its March 43 and the Jack will soon appear do I need three IJAF fighters and why ?

Is the Jack the best one and why ?

I still have good pilots with units mostly 70+ exp some over 80 a few around 60


PDU on Stock 42-46 campaign

Michael

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 Aircraft         Entry   Upgrade to       Replacement  Type            Navy/Army
                  Date                     Date
 
 A5M4 Claude      Jan-37  A2M2 Zero        Sep-40       Fighter         Navy
 A6M2 Zero        Sep-40  A6M3a Zero       Nov-42       Fighter         Navy
 A6M3 Zero        Apr-42  A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43       Fighter         Navy
 A6M3a Zero       Nov-42  A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43       Fighter         Navy
 A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43  A6M8 Zeke        Jun-45       Fighter         Navy
 A6M8 Zeke        Jun-45  A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45       Fighter         Navy
 A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45  A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45       Fighter         Navy
 
 N1K1-J George    Jan-44  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy
 J2M Jack         Mar-43  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy
 J7W Shinden      Aug-45  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy
 
 A6M2-N Ruffe     Dec-41  A6M2-N Ruffe     Dec-41       Float Fighter   Navy
 
 A6M5c Zeke       Sep-43  A6M5c Zeke       Sep-43       Fighter Bomber  Navy
 
 J1N1-S Irving    Sep-43  C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44       Night Fighter   Navy
 C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44  C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44       Night Fighter   Navy
 
 D1A Susie        Jan-39  D3A Val          Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Navy
 D3A Val          Jan-39  D4Y Judy         Nov-43       Dive Bomber     Navy
 D4Y Judy         Nov-43  D4Y Judy         Nov-43       Dive Bomber     Navy
 
 B4Y Jean         Jan-39  B5N Kate         Jan-39       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
 B5N Kate         Jan-39  B6N Jill         Dec-43       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
 B6N Jill         Dec-43  B7A Grace        Jun-44       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
 B7A Grace        Jun-44  B7A Grace        Jun-44       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
 
 G3M Nell         Jan-36  G4M1 Betty       Jun-41       Level Bomber    Navy
 G4M1 Betty       Jun-41  G4M2 Betty       Jul-43       Level Bomber    Navy
 G4M2 Betty       Jul-43  G4M2 Betty       Jul-43       Level Bomber    Navy
 G4M2e Betty      Oct-44  G4M2e Betty      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Navy
 P1Y Frances      Dec-43  P1Y Frances      Dec-43       Level Bomber    Navy
 
 J1N1-R Irving    Oct-42  C6N Myrt         Mar-44       Recon           Navy
 C5M Babs         Jan-39  J1N1-R Irving    Oct-42       Recon           Navy
 C6N Myrt         Mar-44  C6N Myrt         Mar-44       Recon           Navy
 
 H6K4 Mavis       Jan-41  H8K Emily        Jan-42       Patrol          Navy
 H8K Emily        Jan-42  H8K Emily        Jan-42       Patrol          Navy
 
 H6K2-L Mavis     Jan-41  H6K2 - L Mavis   Jan-41       Transport       Navy
 L1N1 Thora       Jan-36  L1N1 Thora       Jan-36       Transport       Navy
 L3Y Tina         Jan-36  L3Y Tina         Jan-36       Transport       Navy
 L2D2 Tabby       Jan-41  L2D2 Tabby       Jan-41       Transport       Navy
 
 E7K2 Alf         Jan-39  E7K2 Alf         Jan-39       Float           Navy
 E8N Dave         Jan-38  E13A1 Jake       Oct-41       Float           Navy
 F1M2 Pete        Jan-41  F1M2 Pete        Jan-41       Float           Navy
 E13A1 Jake       Oct-41  E13A1 Jake       Oct-41       Float           Navy
 E14Y1 Glen       Sep-41  E14Y1 Glen       Sep-41       Float           Navy
 
 Ki-27 Nate       Jan-37  Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43       Fighter         Army
 Ki-43-Ib Oscar   Dec-41  Ki-61 KA1c Tony  Aug-42       Fighter         Army
 Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43  Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43       Fighter         Army
 Ki-44 IIb Tojo   Aug-42  Ki-84-Ia Frank   Aug-44       Fighter         Army
 Ki-46 III Dinah  Oct-44  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter         Army
 Ki-61 KA1c Tony  Aug-42  Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45       Fighter         Army
 Ki-84-Ia Frank   Aug-44  Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44       Fighter         Army
 Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44  Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44       Fighter         Army
 Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45  Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45       Fighter         Army
 
 Ki-45 KAIb Nick  Jan-43  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter Bomber  Army
 Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter Bomber  Army
 
 Ki-45 KAIa Nick  Dec-42  Ki-45 KA1c Nick  Apr-44       Night Fighter   Army
 Ki-45 KAIc Nick  Apr-44  Ki-45 KA1c Nick  Apr-44       Night Fighter   Army
 
 Ki-30 Ann        Jan-39  Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Army
 Ki-32 Mary       Jan-39  Ki-48 Lily       Jan-40       Dive Bomber     Army
 Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39  Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Army
 
 Ki-21 Sally      Jan-38  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army
 Ki-48 Lily       Jan-40  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Level Bomber    Army
 Ki-49 Helen      Dec-41  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army
 Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army
 
 Ki-36 Ida        Jan-39  Ki-36 Ida        Jan-39       Recon           Army
 Ki-15 Babs       Jan-39  Ki-46 II Dinah   Jun-41       Recon           Army
 Ki-46 II Dinah   Jun-41  Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43       Recon           Army
 Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43  Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43       Recon           Army
 
 Ki-57 II Topsy   Jan-41  Ki-57 II Topsy   Jan-41       Transport       Army
 Ki-59 Theresa    Jan-41  Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41       Transport       Army
 MC-21 Sally      Jan-38  MC-21 Sally      Jan-38       Transport       Army
 Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41  Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41       Transport       Army
 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Cavalry Corp]

OK nice list I have printed it off
M

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: cavalry

OK nice list I have printed it off
M

Glad that you like it... I made the list years ago... [:)]


Leo "Apollo11"

[Rybeck]

In CHS the Ki-61-IIKAIb becomes available in Jan 1944. The stats of this (improved Tony?) plane are much better than the original Tony especially the gun value of 16.
 
In fact, its stats seem almost comparable to the Frank which becomes available in May 1944. I guess it should be worthwhile to convert original Tonys to this improved version until Franks become available, even if it's only for about 4 months or so.
 
Also, in CHS both Tony and Tojo have the same gun value of 12. Tojo is 8mph faster, but Tony is 2 points better in both maneuverability and durability, and 1 hex extra range. Apart from the Tojo's great altitude/climb, is there any good reason to build large numbers of Tojos?
 
I've read that Tojo is a better fighter killer, and Tony is better with bombers, but it seems that's only for stock. Certainly, the CHS stats indicate (to me at least) that Tony is a better all-round plane?
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[Yamato hugger]

Except for the fact that converting Tojos to Franks is an over night process and Tonys to Franks takes weeks/months. If all you are looking at is raw airplane data, then yes, Tony is better. Strategically the Tojo is. Build both, I do. But I build 5 times as many Tojos as Tonys.