April 20th, 1942
South Pac
During the night the SS RO-65 tried to attack my ships. One torpedo hit DD Anderson. The enemy sub has been hit.
My decision to regroup the british TF revealed to be a very bad one. The japs moved south and attacked my ships, hitting CV Indomitable with 3 torpedo and 3 bombs, BC Repulse with 2 bombs, CA Dorsetshire with 2 torps and BB Prince of Wales with 1 torp and 8 bombs.
My Hudson from Suva tried to attack enemy carriers but four of them have been shot down.
In the afternoon enemy subs sunk DD Lamsom and placed one torpedo on CV Formidable.In addition of the heavy damages taken yesterday, she sunk.
Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
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RE: Battle of the Ellice
April 21st , 1942
South Pac
Indomitable is at 69/79/36, at 6 kts and at 5 hexes from Suva. Maybe she will reach the Fijis.
CV Hornet will surely sunk. DD Waters, that was with her, left the crippled carrier and run towards Suva.
BB Prince of Wales is at 48/34/15, CA Dorsetshire at 35/48/29 and BC Repulse at 25/14/6.
I really pray for Indomitable.
South Pac
Indomitable is at 69/79/36, at 6 kts and at 5 hexes from Suva. Maybe she will reach the Fijis.
CV Hornet will surely sunk. DD Waters, that was with her, left the crippled carrier and run towards Suva.
BB Prince of Wales is at 48/34/15, CA Dorsetshire at 35/48/29 and BC Repulse at 25/14/6.
I really pray for Indomitable.
RE: Battle of the Ellice
It hurts.. Whose stupid advice did you follow ??? [;)]
Well you killed the 2 best CVs the Japs have until the Taiho, and Soryu and Kaga will need repair time.
You lost 3 US CVs and probably 2 RN CVs, maybe only one or none..
If the RN CVS survive, it is a victory.
If you lose the 2 of them, it starts to suck significantly.
The main thing here though is that until he gets the Unryus, you have cut in half his KB by killing or hurting 4 flattops. This means that your LBA is now a big deterrent. Death Star can deal with the LBA, but a 4 CVs TF is very vulnerable to a random 1000lb bomb.
All in all, it is a tactical defeat but strategically you have seriously blunted his ability to roam freely for the next months (considering Soryu must be damaged enough to not be operationnal for 3 months or so counting ferrying time to Japan). By the time he has more assets, your LBA will be strong and in late 1943 you will have many toys to punish him with...
You just have to be patient now...[;)]
Well you killed the 2 best CVs the Japs have until the Taiho, and Soryu and Kaga will need repair time.
You lost 3 US CVs and probably 2 RN CVs, maybe only one or none..
If the RN CVS survive, it is a victory.
If you lose the 2 of them, it starts to suck significantly.
The main thing here though is that until he gets the Unryus, you have cut in half his KB by killing or hurting 4 flattops. This means that your LBA is now a big deterrent. Death Star can deal with the LBA, but a 4 CVs TF is very vulnerable to a random 1000lb bomb.
All in all, it is a tactical defeat but strategically you have seriously blunted his ability to roam freely for the next months (considering Soryu must be damaged enough to not be operationnal for 3 months or so counting ferrying time to Japan). By the time he has more assets, your LBA will be strong and in late 1943 you will have many toys to punish him with...
You just have to be patient now...[;)]
Adieu Ô Dieu odieux... signé Adam
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RE: Battle of the Ellice
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It hurts.. Whose stupid advice did you follow ??? [;)]
Well you killed the 2 best CVs the Japs have until the Taiho, and Soryu and Kaga will need repair time.
You lost 3 US CVs and probably 2 RN CVs, maybe only one or none..
If the RN CVS survive, it is a victory.
If you lose the 2 of them, it starts to suck significantly.
The main thing here though is that until he gets the Unryus, you have cut in half his KB by killing or hurting 4 flattops. This means that your LBA is now a big deterrent. Death Star can deal with the LBA, but a 4 CVs TF is very vulnerable to a random 1000lb bomb.
All in all, it is a tactical defeat but strategically you have seriously blunted his ability to roam freely for the next months (considering Soryu must be damaged enough to not be operationnal for 3 months or so counting ferrying time to Japan). By the time he has more assets, your LBA will be strong and in late 1943 you will have many toys to punish him with...
You just have to be patient now...[;)]
I really hope to save the Indomitable. Anyway I'm happy to have hit Zuikaku and Shokaku. I think too that they are the best japs carriers.
RE: Battle of the Ellice
Well, I'll give you a hand for being bold. I would have backed off of that battle, but frankly, you did better than I thought you would. I had my a$s handed to me in a mega-CV battle like yours in my game vs. Erstad (in 10-42) . 6 USN CVs + 4 RN CVs + Hermes and LI.
On that fateful day, I lost 4 USN CVs and the 3 RN CVs, Sara and Wasp eventually surviving back to SF both with over 80 sys (down for a year).
For nothing.
Yes, I launched strikes. Yes, about 150 bombers got thru to make their runs.
But not a single hit. I never even scratched the paint.
We ran it again for grins, and it was a fairly even exchange (I think we both lost 6 flight decks), which chalks up as Allied victory. But I saw no reason to ask Erstad to relinquish his victory. It was just really, colossally sh1tty luck for me. But sometimes you do roll snake-eyes twice in a row. And that game continues (I’m actually “sufficiently pleased” with the over-all situation, despite my lack of flight decks, and his surplus).
My advice to you is, just make sure your surviving flight decks survive. If you can get Indy to Fiji great (frankly, I give her even odds). But once she’s there, be wary of the follow up strike. Not so much from KB, but from a mega-bombardment TF that can very easily dispatch her will she tries to pump the water out in port. So do what you have to do guarantee her safety from bombardment TFs (if she makes it to Fiji).
Head up. Keep going. You’re off better than I was by far. LBA will be your sword and shield for the next year. Make all those little Sea-bee units earn their combat pay – build bases for your 4e bombers, and crater anything within 14 hexes.
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On that fateful day, I lost 4 USN CVs and the 3 RN CVs, Sara and Wasp eventually surviving back to SF both with over 80 sys (down for a year).
For nothing.
Yes, I launched strikes. Yes, about 150 bombers got thru to make their runs.
But not a single hit. I never even scratched the paint.
We ran it again for grins, and it was a fairly even exchange (I think we both lost 6 flight decks), which chalks up as Allied victory. But I saw no reason to ask Erstad to relinquish his victory. It was just really, colossally sh1tty luck for me. But sometimes you do roll snake-eyes twice in a row. And that game continues (I’m actually “sufficiently pleased” with the over-all situation, despite my lack of flight decks, and his surplus).
My advice to you is, just make sure your surviving flight decks survive. If you can get Indy to Fiji great (frankly, I give her even odds). But once she’s there, be wary of the follow up strike. Not so much from KB, but from a mega-bombardment TF that can very easily dispatch her will she tries to pump the water out in port. So do what you have to do guarantee her safety from bombardment TFs (if she makes it to Fiji).
Head up. Keep going. You’re off better than I was by far. LBA will be your sword and shield for the next year. Make all those little Sea-bee units earn their combat pay – build bases for your 4e bombers, and crater anything within 14 hexes.
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RE: Battle of the Ellice
My memory's foggy on the details, but on the original battle didn't I get lucky (or you unlucky) on the exact engagement range - was it maybe 5 hexes where you didn't get any escort? IIRC, the re-run wasn't an exact "flap a butterfly wing in the Indian Ocean and see what happens", it was a "Gee, what would have happened if this group of TFs was just one hex over."
Either way, you're right about the luck aspect. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good
And multi-day turns really make the carrier battles lop-sided, because on day 2 (or 3) the loser has little or no CAP (combination of losses and/or closed flight decks) and the victors LBA or naval air has a field day. Same thing happened to me in the game with Aztez, only in reverse. I lost the first exchange in a big CV battle, but still had a lot of assets left. Next day, many new reefs.
Either way, you're right about the luck aspect. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good
And multi-day turns really make the carrier battles lop-sided, because on day 2 (or 3) the loser has little or no CAP (combination of losses and/or closed flight decks) and the victors LBA or naval air has a field day. Same thing happened to me in the game with Aztez, only in reverse. I lost the first exchange in a big CV battle, but still had a lot of assets left. Next day, many new reefs.RE: Battle of the Ellice
On that fateful day, yes, my CVs actually reacted into range your LBA. Your LBA strikes were inconsequetional, but did down/disrupt some of my fighters. We set the destination hex one hex over (I'm not sure if they still reacted or not, but it was farther over so that if they did react, it wouldn't be within range) - there were no strikes by LBA, and it was a fairly even exchange.
Erstad's game is my attempt at, "How to commit every blunder in the book, and still not actually lose by auto-victory. It's a "learning experience". Yeah, that's it, a "learning experience".
And you have a turn in your in-box my mildly senile friend...
:^)
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Erstad's game is my attempt at, "How to commit every blunder in the book, and still not actually lose by auto-victory. It's a "learning experience". Yeah, that's it, a "learning experience".
And you have a turn in your in-box my mildly senile friend...
:^)
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RE: Battle of the Ellice
April 22nd , 1942
South Pac
The Hornet sunk this morning. Capt Marc Mitscher went down with her.
CV Indomitable is at 88 flt, and still 3 hexes from Suva. I’m continuing pray. The other ships reached safely the port.
Saratoga and Yorktown will sail tomorrow, and will move to Pago-Pago, to avoid an eventual naval bombardement by the japs.
South Pac
The Hornet sunk this morning. Capt Marc Mitscher went down with her.
CV Indomitable is at 88 flt, and still 3 hexes from Suva. I’m continuing pray. The other ships reached safely the port.
Saratoga and Yorktown will sail tomorrow, and will move to Pago-Pago, to avoid an eventual naval bombardement by the japs.
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RE: Save the Indomitable!
April 23rd , 1942
South Pac
I-173 sunk a damaged AK north of Suva, with troops of an aviation regiment on board. The rest of the convoys, 3 Aks, have already unloaded.
This attack save, for the moment, Indomitable. But the carrier is still one hex from Suva harbor, and has 97 floating..... In addition one enemy sub has been spotted in the same hex.
I’ve ordered three massive ASW TFs to go out from Suva and hunt the hunter.
South Pac
I-173 sunk a damaged AK north of Suva, with troops of an aviation regiment on board. The rest of the convoys, 3 Aks, have already unloaded.
This attack save, for the moment, Indomitable. But the carrier is still one hex from Suva harbor, and has 97 floating..... In addition one enemy sub has been spotted in the same hex.
I’ve ordered three massive ASW TFs to go out from Suva and hunt the hunter.
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RE: Indomitable sunk!
April 24th , 1942
South Pac
CV Indomitable sunk directly in the Suva bay. Now part of the deck is visible from the land.
This is the end of a disastrous battle. I really hoped to obtain something better.
5 carriers lost and no enemy carrier sunk yet!
Indian Ocean
A convoy, escorted by CLAA Van Heemskerck and DD Isaac Sweers, directed to Akyab, has been attacked by japs aviation that
China
3’500 japs and 1’400 chinese died today during a japs assault against Yenan. The fort is reduced to 6.
South Pac
CV Indomitable sunk directly in the Suva bay. Now part of the deck is visible from the land.
This is the end of a disastrous battle. I really hoped to obtain something better.
5 carriers lost and no enemy carrier sunk yet!
Indian Ocean
A convoy, escorted by CLAA Van Heemskerck and DD Isaac Sweers, directed to Akyab, has been attacked by japs aviation that
China
3’500 japs and 1’400 chinese died today during a japs assault against Yenan. The fort is reduced to 6.
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RE: Indomitable sunk!
April 25th , 1942
China
I lost Yenan today: 65’525 chinese have been captured!! Ouch!
South Pac
I still don’t know about the fate of Shokaku and Zuikaku. The intelligence screen didn’t mention the name of the two best japanese carriers as sunk.
China
I lost Yenan today: 65’525 chinese have been captured!! Ouch!
South Pac
I still don’t know about the fate of Shokaku and Zuikaku. The intelligence screen didn’t mention the name of the two best japanese carriers as sunk.
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RE: Indomitable sunk!
Intelligence reports (a.k.a. as Chuck's mail), said that both, CV Zuikaku and CV Shokaku, have been scuttled.
This give the result as a 2-5 in favor of Japan. Anyway it's always better than a 0-5....
This give the result as a 2-5 in favor of Japan. Anyway it's always better than a 0-5....
RE: Indomitable sunk!
2-5 is certainly a clear win for him. But it's not a huge loss for you. If it was 3-5, I'd have called it only slightly in his favor.
Either way, as I said before, LBA is your sword and shield now.
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Either way, as I said before, LBA is your sword and shield now.
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RE: Indomitable sunk!
hi George
In my opionion, a CV combat on Apr 42 is not very wise, especially your TFs were out of the land-based aircraft help. But I would say a 2:5 score is not very bad, also CV Soryo and some japanese ships were damaged. I may earn times to build up your defense in South Pacific. Then in 1943, after your CVs are rebuilt, the KB, without its best 2 CVs, will feel its powerless.
good luck
In my opionion, a CV combat on Apr 42 is not very wise, especially your TFs were out of the land-based aircraft help. But I would say a 2:5 score is not very bad, also CV Soryo and some japanese ships were damaged. I may earn times to build up your defense in South Pacific. Then in 1943, after your CVs are rebuilt, the KB, without its best 2 CVs, will feel its powerless.
good luck
Amb
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
April 26th - 28th , 1942
I’m sending aviation units to south Pacific, in order to build up air defense.
On the 28th my DDs seriously damaged I-19 east of Suva.
BC Repulse and DD Scout, both damaged, are returning to Sidney, where 3 Ars are waiting for them.
Prince of Wales has still 8 of floating and then will also sail to Sidney.
I’m sending aviation units to south Pacific, in order to build up air defense.
On the 28th my DDs seriously damaged I-19 east of Suva.
BC Repulse and DD Scout, both damaged, are returning to Sidney, where 3 Ars are waiting for them.
Prince of Wales has still 8 of floating and then will also sail to Sidney.
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
April 29th - 30th , 1942
Cent Pac
On 30th I-173 torpedoed AS Griffin west of Suva, heading to Noumea.
China
In Sian and Honan, jap aviation is very active and my troops are suffering heavy losses.
Cent Pac
On 30th I-173 torpedoed AS Griffin west of Suva, heading to Noumea.
China
In Sian and Honan, jap aviation is very active and my troops are suffering heavy losses.
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
May 1st, 1942
Ok. The Zero bonus it’s over. And I can now upgrade british squadron.
Everywhere in India british bomber squadrons are upgrading to Wellington, fighter squadron to Hurricane and torpedo squadron to Swordfish or Beaufort.
In China I organized a LRCAP over Sian, managed by 1. and 2. Squadron AVG. 3rd Squadron will remain in reserve in Lanchow.
Ok. The Zero bonus it’s over. And I can now upgrade british squadron.
Everywhere in India british bomber squadrons are upgrading to Wellington, fighter squadron to Hurricane and torpedo squadron to Swordfish or Beaufort.
In China I organized a LRCAP over Sian, managed by 1. and 2. Squadron AVG. 3rd Squadron will remain in reserve in Lanchow.
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
May 1st, 1942
China
The AVG was ready to fight the enemy bombers over Sian. However, only 13 P-40 were on CAP, but they shot down three enemy planes.
South Pac
RO-67 received 5 hits by my destroyers and is left on fire.
China
The AVG was ready to fight the enemy bombers over Sian. However, only 13 P-40 were on CAP, but they shot down three enemy planes.
South Pac
RO-67 received 5 hits by my destroyers and is left on fire.
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
May 2nd, 1942
SO Pac
Jap’s sub I-7 has been damaged by my ASW ships west of Suva.
China
AVG ambushed enemy planes over Sian, again: 11 bombers and 4 enemy fighters shot down. No P-40 lost.
SO Pac
Jap’s sub I-7 has been damaged by my ASW ships west of Suva.
China
AVG ambushed enemy planes over Sian, again: 11 bombers and 4 enemy fighters shot down. No P-40 lost.
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RE: Keep down the Rising Sun! Pat vs Chuck - allied
May 3rd – 5th , 1942
The only important thing happened in three days, is a torpedo launched by a jap’s sub, that hit DD Waters, SW of Pago-Pago. The destroyer is at 62/80/42 and is now heading to Pago-Pago at 7 kts.
The only important thing happened in three days, is a torpedo launched by a jap’s sub, that hit DD Waters, SW of Pago-Pago. The destroyer is at 62/80/42 and is now heading to Pago-Pago at 7 kts.