Hunting the AuTiger - an AAR (no Tigers please)

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Yes, it is! Didn't the name sound russian to you?
Moreover, as far as I know, a massive rise of milita will come, when you enter the West Coast. So not even your 10 best Divisions will be enough - if I my memory doesn't trick me - and after you have been beaten, he has an extreme boost to for his land units...
If I were you, I would ask Tiger to allow you to replay the last turn, because otherwise, the soviets shall be active...

I thought that there were a lot of parts of the Aleutians that kept their Russian names. Oh well, now I'll see what happens with the Soviets in the game...

As far as the West Coast goes, the Allied player gets something like the next 6 months worth of reinforcements early. IIRC, the US doesn't get a lot of good infantry units in the second half of 1942, so it seems possible to do.

However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway...

Thanks for the headsup

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: ctangus

ORIGINAL: Historiker

If I were you, I would ask Tiger to allow you to replay the last turn, because otherwise, the soviets shall be active...

I agree - ask for a mulligan. IRL the Japanese would have known if they were invading Soviet territory or not. You might want to offer some concession (more palatable to you) elsewhere though - if I were playing you I'd give the mulligan but would want something in return.

Well good luck! Exciting AAR - Russians active? West Coast invasion? [:D][;)]

Nah - we've already had four restarts so I would prefer to keep this one going for a while yet. However, with the Russians active my intentions for the West Coast are likely to have to be put on the back burner... [X(]

[Historiker]

you simply need to go on one to two turns before - no restart needed, but ok, you bite trhough! [:D]

[modrow]

Looks like recent developments have moved this excellent AAR from the "good read" to the "must read" class...

Looking forward to see this develop

Thanks

Hartwig

[Historiker]

Great comment [:D]

[VSWG]

ORIGINAL: Dive Bomber1

ORIGINAL: ctangus

I think Historiker is referring to the fact that Komandorski is a Soviet base...

It IS!!!???

Oh oh --- I didn't intend that...

Oooooooops -

(Ah s*h*i*t!!!!!!!!!!!)

However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway...

Nonono!! If you manage to conquer Russia AND the West Coast you'll be a living legend! [;)]

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

you simply need to go on one to two turns before - no restart needed, but ok, you bite trhough! [:D]

"Uncle Joe Tiger" and I have agreed that we won't let this "little Diplomatic Incident" cause a problem between our two Noble and Peaceful Nations and that I will immediately evacuate my troops.

Essentially, we are using this accident as an opportunity for AuTiger to reorganize his Soviet forces, similar to what many people do deliberately, and we will not commence immediate hostilities between Japan and the Soviet Union.

All that being said, if AuTiger does decide to send any US troops to try to return Komandorski to the Allied side, they may well run into some forces of Imperial Japan in the region who won't be as "diplomatic"... [;)] [:D]

[Historiker]

No, then Russia will join the war on your side

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: VSWG

However, since my units will be tied up with the Russians, that becomes a moot point anyway...

Nonono!! If you manage to conquer Russia AND the West Coast you'll be a living legend! [;)]

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

Looks like recent developments have moved this excellent AAR from the "good read" to the "must read" class...

Looking forward to see this develop

Thanks

Hartwig

Thanks Hartwig, but I'm not so ambitious that I think I can do both - at least not simultaneously... [X(]

However, after I capture San Diego all bets are off... [;)]

Dive (Gengis Khan) Bomber [:D]

[Historiker]

Only that your plan can't work...
You said you want to drop paras at united states base. Did you know that it's base force allone has 270 Attack Value?

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Only that your plan can't work...
You said you want to drop paras at united states base. Did you know that it's base force allone has 270 Attack Value?

Does it? I didn't realize that.

But then, no player EVER leaves that base force in that base... [;)] [:D]

Thanks -

[Historiker]

static...
Every Base Force in the US is static and most of them in Canada - and they all have an AV of over 100 - and most or all bases start with fortification 7-9...
You don't have ANY chance!
Better try India - or really go to russia or try Pearl, but the West Coast? That's suicide!
Edit: And it's to early in war for this [:D]

[VSWG]

Isn't this stock scen 15? If it is: the base force is not static, and has no AV at start...

[Historiker]

Isn't there a "United States" Base in stock? I think it's only in CHS, right?
And I was wrong. all the other base forces have no AV and the fortifications are a little bit weaker than I said - but I still beliefe it shall be impossible!

[Dive Bomber1]

ORIGINAL: Historiker

Isn't there a "United States" Base in stock? I think it's only in CHS, right?
And I was wrong. all the other base forces have no AV and the fortifications are a little bit weaker than I said - but I still beliefe it shall be impossible!

"Shall be" and "May Be" are two different things in this Game - that what makes it interesting... [:D]

And again, my guess is that AuTiger would have already moved that base force out - either to replace one of the big ones at the West Coast, or to ship it onwards. He moved a lot of troops to Noumea, and who knows how much more to Hawaii and the other eastern Pacific Islands. Any way, anyone who would move a large part of his Air Force to Australia and India is likely to have stripped the West Coast pretty clean.

At least that is what I am hoping... [:D]

Thanks -

[Historiker]

He can't move it out - unless there is something I don't know to move "static" units, as the US Baseforces are static...
Well then, you have guts [:D] but the clairvoyant Historiker says: "It will be a horrific defeat" [;)]

If you still go on: Good luck, you'll need it!

Ah - something I've forgotten... You know that even if you conquer SF and the US base, reinforcements still come? The just go to Panama then! So if you have the HR that forbids you to enter the channel - you simply risk your troops far away from home even if you should be successfull, as all the enemy reindforcements go to Panama. To conquer this too you shall know, that there are plenty of units there to protect this bases - at least 800 AV...

My suggestion: Russia or Pearl.
If you are successfull in India it's the same problem with Aden as with Panama, so I would take Russia or Pearl...

Anyway, good luck and I will read this thread even more interestet, now [:D]

[Dive Bomber1]

Historiker -

This is a "stock" game with the original game settings. Most of the US base forces are not static, and the one in "United States" in particular, can be moved. I have moved it myself in games against the AI.

If I capture San Francisco the US reinforcements stop - it's just like capturing Karachi in India. There is no Panama Canal in the stock game; the farthest West Coast base to the south is San Diego. In "stock" there is also no Aden. So in this version it is a very big risk for the Allied player to strip the US or India of troops.

By the way, it turns out that in "stock" Komandorski is not under Soviet control, so the Russians have not been activated. I will go in more detail after I finish the turn and write the AAR for June 7.

Thanks again for all of your comments and suggestions.

[Historiker]

Ok, that changes it by some ways...

Is there any AAR, where a Japanese player conquered the West Coast?

[Dive Bomber1]

June 7, 1942 - Well, all the excitement about activating the Soviets was for naught - my troops captured Komandorski and nothing happened.

Well, that's not quite true - one odd thing did happen during the combat replay; instead of the usual Japanese picture on the right of the screen there was the US blue star and McArthur sitting there with his pipe. Never-the-less, the base is now under the command of the Northern Area Force.

BTW - when I looked at the base info afterwards it said that it was a "US Navy Beach". That explains why the Soviets weren't activated. I don't know if it is actually under Russian control in Real Life, but in the "stock" game it is "fair game".

Otherwise things went fairly uneventfully. My bombers hit multiple targets in China again without any CAP or retaliation. More importantly, my troops all pulled out safely from Changsha without AuTiger being able to hammer any stragglers. I am now going to spend some time attempting to recombine my split LCUs.

The only new thing was in the South Pacific where for the first time a number of Marauders hit the airfields at Efate. They caused negligible damage. I don't know where the 4Es went to, but I'll take 2Es instead any day. BTW - I used a CL/DD fast transport to pull out a stranded NLF from a dot base to the north of Luganville. I will be using more fast transports now to keep AuTiger off balance.

Finally, a Coronado in Ceylon detected my surface combat TF just to the south of the island, so if AuTiger is watching his Operational Reports closely that ought to bother him a bit. [;)]