Real Time Company Command is not the future of wargaming

[Yoozername]

Computer games have much more potential than board games.  Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.

[dinsdale]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I conclude that people are playing PBEM by a forum that shows that they do. Not from my own PBEM.

You stated differently earlier.

If CM relied on sales from forum posters, they'd have been out of business years ago.

By the way, If I PBEM, that means at least two people (me and someone else) are PBEMing? So I have logically twice as many people? Hopefully, you can see the silliness in your logic.

No, logical fallacies don't multiply.

Many people bought the game and hardly/never play it. Try to count them. And people that play the AI, and lose, are losers. And usually their points are not well thought out.

What difference is it whether someone is good against the AI or not in regards to their points.

If you feel strongly about MMOG then see what's happening with WWIIOL.

Computer games have much more potential than board games. Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.

It's a cock-eyed view of comprehension to assume that just because someone likes boardgames and would like to see more on the PC, that the same person doesn't also enjoy other types of game.

There seems to be a theme in your posts that there is only one single true way to play or game selection. Most people are less 1-dimensional than you appear to be.

[Yoozername]

You seem to make another cockamamie leap of bad logic:  All PBEM are posters.  Which is a crock. 
 
And I already stated that I enjoyed CM in more than one way.  Struggle harder to make some awful argument. 

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

You seem to make another cockamamie leap of bad logic: All PBEM are posters. Which is a crock.

And I already stated that I enjoyed CM in more than one way. Struggle harder to make some awful argument.

God, what relentlessly vapid BS.

In all my days, I've never come across a poster that said less, meant less and was so utterly clueless in regard to that to which he claims to be a worthwhile conduit for the dissemination of related ideas. Really, get yourself a dictionary, thesaurus and a grammar guide. Failing the investment, you're nothing but an embarrassment to that which bore you.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Yoozername]

I never claimed to be a worthwhile anything.  But that dog will die.  That is a futuristic prediction that will be true.  Him and his little ears will be all dead.  Cause all dogs are vapid.
 
But I doubt that anyone here, vapid or otherwise, can even state the level of sales of current products, let alone speak volumes about how they are played.  So any futuristic predictions are just more canadian tripe.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I never claimed to be a worthwhile anything. But that dog will die. That is a futuristic prediction that will be true. Him and his little ears will be all dead. Cause all dogs are vapid.

But I doubt that anyone here, vapid or otherwise, can even state the level of sales of current products, let alone speak volumes about how they are played. So any futuristic predictions are just more canadian tripe.

Deep.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[madorosh]

ORIGINAL: dinsdale
I agree, but my desires would run along the lines of Gulf Strike, Vietnam and Aegean Strike The PC was once supposed to be the solution to not being able to just start a board game game at will. Unfortunately, it's never lived up to that expectation.

Right now, the killer apps in PC gaming are MMOG and FPS. It would be astonishing to see the sort of investment which would make the MMOG Company Commander, as there's absolutely no audience for it compared to those other types of game. Closest might be WWIIOL, and despite a seemingly patient and mature install base, doesn't seem any closer to implementing some of the strategic layers thrown around as ideas years ago.

I think your points on the subject are accurate and well thought out.

Thank you; yours as well. And I was waiting for someone to mention WWIIOL, which is what I think was being suggested as the "model of the future", only with the bizarre notion that instead of first person control of individual units, players would command entire companies, one squad at a time. Unfathomable.

I'd have thought it obvious too that the same principles that went into designing board games - to return to another theme mentioned in the thread after you posted - and PC games are pretty much the same. It's only a matter of implementing them. Another reason I exclude first person and hardware simulators from "true" wargames.

[Yoozername]

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[Yoozername]

I have to agree with Jason here.  Using the Real Time limits a person to about a company or less. Hence my thesis that other players, each controlling about a company, would be a natural framework for a multiplayer game.
 
And speaking of reactionaries...If I had some people playtesting a build of a wargame, and I found out that one of those playtesters was pushing another playtester to revert back to a previous build (for some cockamamie reason), I would remove that playtester from that games design.

[madorosh]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I have to agree with Jason here. Using the Real Time limits a person to about a company or less. Hence my thesis that other players, each controlling about a company, would be a natural framework for a multiplayer game.

Jason's comments are irrelevant to the discussion of a multiplayer game for all the reasons previously established. There's no connection whatsoever.

If I had some people playtesting a build of a wargame, and I found out that one of those playtesters was pushing another playtester to revert back to a previous build (for some cockamamie reason), I would remove that playtester from that games design.

Your attempt to discredit the battlefront playtesters is unfortunate since nothing of this sort ever happened, nor would you have any knowledge of it if it did. Your attempt to discredit JasonC is particularly puzzling, since I think he was and is one of the greatest assets at the board, and most importantly he isn't on this board to defend himself. If you have something to say about the manner in which he handles himself, I'd suggest it would be more appropriate to post it at battlefront where he could had least dispute what you're trying to say.

[Yoozername]

I am not saying it about Jason.  As far as I know, he wasn't a playtester. I am just agreeing with his observation is all.

And how would you know what happened between all playtesters? You seem nervous.

[Marc von Martial]

You guys, all of you, should have fought more in your Kindergarten's sandbox. It seem to me you have a lack of this experience which needs compensation now ....

[madorosh]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

You guys, all of you, should have fought more in your Kindergarten's sandbox. It seem to me you have a lack of this experience which needs compensation now ....

Marc, why do you do this? You sit on your hands while threads turn to crap, and then tar the fellows who try and keep the subject on topic with the same brush as the trolls. Do you really not care how others see what is in the end your forum?

Is this topic really not of interest to you?

Yoozername and ravinhood have bombarded the thread with constant personal comments and attacks; I think the others have been patient by not responding in kind. If this was "kindergarten" of anyone was "compensating" they simply would have.

Or are you too unintelligent to see the difference between trolling and attempts at keeping a conversation going? That might explain the level of moderation. If you really don't want to get involved, then don't, but please don't stick your nose in just to insult the people who do want to use your forum for the intended purposes in the same breath as you insult the abusers.

So what now?

[madorosh]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I am not saying it about Jason. As far as I know, he wasn't a playtester. I am just agreeing with his observation is all.

You're not talking about any of the playtesters - you weren't involved in the playtest group, having been banned from BF.C several years ago for multiple aliases. You've never been a playtester, and no one in the current beta team has any contacts with you, so you're simply spreading idle rumours and gossip.

And Matrix is, once again, opening themselves up to a lawsuit by allowing your comments to persist on their board. But that's typical. You made a claim about the "future of wargaming" that didn't bear the scrutiny of an extended discussion (and thanks to all that participated constructively, it was interesting), and now you're attempting to end the conversation by lies and intimidation out of frustration of not having your scrambled views agreed with.

This is why you were banned from BF.C as I recall. I've really tried hard to make my comments in this thread about the subject and not about personalities, but you make that impossible.

Your lies about Jason and the playtest group simply don't hold any water.

[a white rabbit]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Computer games have much more potential than board games.  Its a cock-eyed view of technology that wants computer games to emulate tired ass board and miniature games.

..accurate observations..

..if it helps, i don't see real-time anything as other than a small local (but profitable)part of the market, a world market now-a-days, so in practical terms, how do i, on the Asian Pacific Rim play real-time against someone in Norway, or the US East coast ?

..the future has to be a combined pbem/AI intervention approach..

[Yoozername]

Again, I am agreeing with Jason.  I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise. I am not saying he tried to roll back a build while playtesting. I am not even saying he was a playtester. So, again, you throw off conversations by putting words in people's mouths...


Dorosh, thou doth protest too much...

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Gamers can also use this forum to chat about any game related subject, news, rumours etc.

By posting here, you are opening yourself up to the above mentioned use of the forum.

[Yoozername]

http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=002901;p=3

DOROSH IS CALLING THE COPS!!!!   HIDE!!!!

and I quote Dorosh..

I'll be passing this on to the Calgary Police Service, but I do think you need to seek some counselling. My comments on your mental health were sincere. Like - it's just a game dude - and just a forum.

[TheHellPatrol]

Man, this is why my kids will never have internet access while under my roof, XBOX Live okay but no internet. You guys, okay we all, need to get a life...i hope Matrix doesn't turn into the vacuous cesspool that most forum websites have over the years. We gotta fight to keep the Trolls outta here, back when Witp was released this was a great place to hang out...what happened? There is something to learn from this i suppose, always be prepared and sleep with one eye open....[;)]

[ravinhood]

And Matrix is, once again, opening themselves up to a lawsuit by allowing your comments to persist on their board. But that's typical

Marc, why do you do this?

You sit on your hands while threads turn to crap

and then tar the fellows who try and keep the subject on topic with the same brush as the trolls .

Yoozername and ravinhood have bombarded the thread with constant personal comments and attacks

Or are you too unintelligent

don't stick your nose in just to insult the people

you insult the abusers

[PDiFolco]

Could someone change the thread topic to "Kindergarten Unlimited Wrestling"
 
Some guys here are pathetic...