Europe map?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Just noticed a few things --

There's a red line between Northern Ireland/Belfast and the rest of Great Britain. Don't know if it was there on the WIFFE maps or if it should be there, since Northern Ireland was meant to still be part of the Home Country of the CW.

Orkney Islands have (Gbr) showing ownership, maybe should be changed to (CW)?

Lastly, where the northern tip of Corsica is, the island between Corsica and Italy which I believe is Elba was owned by Italy yet the map shows it as part of Corsica-France. Maybe the island of Elba (which was Napoleon's first place of exile as we all know) should be moved over to the hex adjacent to the Italian coast there, or move that part of Corsica out of the same hex with Elba? I know that would be un-WIFFE, so I don't know what to do about that one.

But these are minor points that make no difference in game play. I mean, when will anyone use Elba for anything?

Again, these maps are terrific in every way and I eagerly look forward to paper versions, to tide us over until Matrix Wif hits the shelves.

Anthony DeChristopher

I just returned from Philadelphia, where I talked to a guy about printing a section of the the MWIF map (30% of the world). I am going to upload a jpg to him and he'll send me some samples on different media.

Are you really interested in paper? I was thinking of mylar (plastic) which is available in different thicknesses. I saw a sample of a photograph done on a canvas material, but I believe that would not work for those who would want to mount the map on a wall for using magnets (too thick). Though the canvas is real pretty and quite durable.

I am thinking along the lines of the full map being 10 feet by 17 feet, with it cut into 4 foot sections. From my perspective, 3 horizontal sections (two of them 4 feet high and the third 2 feet high), each 17 feet long would work best. The printer suggested 5 vertical pieces (we might be able to reduce that to 4, since the maximum width is 50 inches), each of which would be 10 feet high. My logic was that the horizontal would produce less seam-length, and seams between maps are always a bother. The printer's point was that hanging a section that is 17 feeet wide is physically challenging, while a 5 foot segment is relatively easier.

We haven't gotten around to talking price yet, but David Heath said that they usually just make printed material a pass-through cost. So it mainly depends on what the printer is going to charge.

Opinions? Interest level?

[Frederyck]

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A mylar map would be heaven sent, in my opinion! As I've already stated in an earlier thread somewhere here - I'd buy one set of MWiF maps, and I think that at least one more group here in my hometown would be severely tempted as well!

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I just returned from Philadelphia, where I talked to a guy about printing a section of the the MWIF map (30% of the world). I am going to upload a jpg to him and he'll send me some samples on different media.

Welcome back !

Are you really interested in paper? I was thinking of mylar (plastic) which is available in different thicknesses. I saw a sample of a photograph done on a canvas material, but I believe that would not work for those who would want to mount the map on a wall for using magnets (too thick). Though the canvas is real pretty and quite durable.

I don't see what Mylar is.

ORIGINAL: Frederyck
A mylar map would be heaven sent, in my opinion! As I've already stated in an earlier thread somewhere here - I'd buy one set of MWiF maps, and I think that at least one more group here in my hometown would be severely tempted as well!

Same for me !
I wonder where I'd put it, but it would be interested if the pieces you cut into the maps could be used independently. For example, it would be a good idea to have 1-2 pieces for China & Russian Far East, for people like me who think that the regular game could be played on these maps. I mean, I would use the MWiF China map instead of the WiF FE China.

[Frederyck]

Link: What is Mylar?

In short, it is a most often clear plastic that is used as a coating, but can be used as a base as well.

[Gendarme]

Hello Steve,

Don't know what mylar is but I'll go with whatever is decided.

Would the top/bottom hexes be trimmed or does that even make a difference with map size/playability? The northernmost regions of Alaska/Candada/Soviet Union may be able to suffer some cropping if necessary.

Interest level for me is very high. Can't answer for any others, however. I'm isolated from other Wiffers and only contact is through wifdiscussion or here. I don't see how improved China/Far East/Americas maps, in addition to improvements made to Western/Eastern Europe, could fail to interest current gamers. Asia/Pacific and Africa will definitely be more fun to play now.

Anthony DeChristopher

[Frederyck]

ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Don't know what mylar is but I'll go with whatever is decided.

From my link in post 143:

What is Mylar®?

Mylar is often used to generically refer to polyester film or plastic sheet. However, it is a registered trademark owned by Dupont Tejjin Films for a specific family of plastic sheet products made from the resin Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET). The true generic term for this material is Polyester Film or Plastic Sheet.

Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet is manufactured in a range of different styles, finishes and thicknesses. Learn more information on the types of Mylar® that are available.

There are numerous applications for Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet. For more information please read about Mylar applications.

See also information on the properties of Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet.

Grafix Plastics offers a wide variety of different types, grades, finishes and thicknesses.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Frederyck

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Don't know what mylar is but I'll go with whatever is decided.

From my link in post 143:

What is Mylar®?

Mylar is often used to generically refer to polyester film or plastic sheet. However, it is a registered trademark owned by Dupont Tejjin Films for a specific family of plastic sheet products made from the resin Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET). The true generic term for this material is Polyester Film or Plastic Sheet.

Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet is manufactured in a range of different styles, finishes and thicknesses. Learn more information on the types of Mylar® that are available.

There are numerous applications for Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet. For more information please read about Mylar applications.

See also information on the properties of Polyester Film/Plastic Sheet.

Grafix Plastics offers a wide variety of different types, grades, finishes and thicknesses.

Thanks.

My use of the term Mylar comes from when I was working in the engineering print department for Allied Chemical back in 1966. We made copies of engineering drawings using master copies that had been drawn on either linen or Mylar. The linen copies required passing through an ammonia-light sensitive process which produced, literally, blue prints. The Mylar drawings could be used to produced (more or less) black on white prints. For you youngsters out there, this all predates Xerox copies. The only other automated copying mechanism available to the engineers was a Denison copier, but those copies had to be small (8 1/2 inches by 11 inches) and changed color (became darker) over time. After 1 year they were more or less unreadable.

"Plastic sheet" or "polyester film" would be more accurate, but mylar is almost equivalent to saying kleenex instead of "facial tissue".

Please, no verbal assaults about misuse of copyrighted names from lawyers.[8|]

[SPerdomo]

Hello all, I've been lurking these forums for a couple years (and recently volunteered to help a bit with the unit description), however, somehow, this map thread escaped me .

I have seen some names in the Iberian Peninsula map who aren’t written like that in spanish:
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Sierra de Guaderrama (in the map) would be Sierra de Guadarrama
Seville would be Sevilla (maybe you keep "seville" as english name? )
Majorca would be Mayorca
Minorca would be Menorca
Saragossa would be Zaragoza (same as with Seville)
Tagus would be Tajo (however, this river crosses also Portugal, I think the name doesn't change in Portugal, and remains as Tajo, but I can search for that if you want).

I hope it isn't too late to make these corrections...

Thanks and great job (i can hardly wait for the game )

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: SPerdomo

Hello all, I've been lurking these forums for a couple years (and recently volunteered to help a bit with the unit description), however, somehow, this map thread escaped me .

I have seen some names in the Iberian Peninsula map who aren’t written like that in spanish:
a
Sierra de Guaderrama (in the map) would be Sierra de Guadarrama
Seville would be Sevilla (maybe you keep "seville" as english name? )
Majorca would be Mayorca
Minorca would be Menorca
Saragossa would be Zaragoza (same as with Seville)
Tagus would be Tajo (however, this river crosses also Portugal, I think the name doesn't change in Portugal, and remains as Tajo, but I can search for that if you want).

I hope it isn't too late to make these corrections...

Thanks and great job (i can hardly wait for the game )

It's not too late, labels are easy to change / add / delete to the map.

We'd prefer English names for all names, so we prefer to keep Seville & Saragossa.
For Spain, I had found names at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_exonyms.
You're welcome to give me more English names.

[SPerdomo]

Ah ok, my bad . Seeing the discussion about the rivers in swedish, and the list of changes you were proposing to Harry (like that "Almiera" that in the cardboard game hurts my eyes ), and also the surprising good spanish names of cities like Cádiz (including the effort to have the accents in the right places .. .etc) I assumed that you wanted to have the names in their original language... I should have realized also Marseilles and Lyons for example. Well, as someone said, assumption is the mother of all mistakes .

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: SPerdomo

Ah ok, my bad . Seeing the discussion about the rivers in swedish, and the list of changes you were proposing to Harry (like that "Almiera" that in the cardboard game hurts my eyes ), and also the surprising good spanish names of cities like Cádiz (including the effort to have the accents in the right places .. .etc) I assumed that you wanted to have the names in their original language... I should have realized also Marseilles and Lyons for example. Well, as someone said, assumption is the mother of all mistakes .

Ah, no, not "you bad". We want (and need) comments on stuff. From my point of view, comments are never bad.

Of course, we (and more personally, I) do not act on all suggestions. But if you compare the first page of posts in the thread Unit Depictions on the screen with the posts from the most recent page (#33), I think you will have to agree that I have made a ton of changes in response to comments from forum members. And the resulting game is vastly superior to what I could have done in isolation.

[SPerdomo]

I agree that comments are always good, and I agree that you have done a great job including (assesing and then accepting/rejecting) the suggestions from the forum.
 
When I said "my bad" i meant that I understood the map names just the opposite as you guys are doing, if I had known (or to be precise, if i had understood) that you were searching for english names, i wouldn't have suggested the spanish ones, but instead searched for the english equivalence.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Patrice has tweaked the registration of the United Kingdom map vis-a-vis the hexgrid. Here is the current rendering.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

2nd and last in series.

Our main concern was Sheffield-Hull. Patrice also wanted the rivers to flow into the ocean better.

This is maximum zoom (8).

[Plainian]

As usual England gets a lot of attention and Scotland gets the bums rush. <g>
Pity you can't give Edinburgh and the River Forth the same treatment but then its not even a river on the WIF map by the looks of it.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Plain Ian

As usual England gets a lot of attention and Scotland gets the bums rush. <g>
Pity you can't give Edinburgh and the River Forth the same treatment but then its not even a river on the WIF map by the looks of it.

I don't know what the bums rush is, but these maps in their shape come directly from the boardgame, and attention was then given equaly by us to England and Scotland for the places' or geographical features' names, as you'll notice that the names of the mountains were researched (hopefully they are right) for the Scottish mountains.

This is not fair to say what you say. Even the most distant South America or Africa places where WWII was only a rumor were given a lot of attention too.

[brian brian]

I think you missed the <g> which would imply "grin" and not a lot of seriousness there.


Why are some hexsides blue and some black? Just curious.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

I think you missed the <g> which would imply "grin" and not a lot of seriousness there.


Why are some hexsides blue and some black? Just curious.

The blue hexsides are coastal hexes. That is done so the colors blend smoothly with the all sea hexes. Otherwise there is a harsh black line between each all sea hex and coastal hex. As it is, the blue line disappears into the all sea hex and the colors just fade into each other.

[Neilster]

The bum's rush? It means short shrift. That should clear things up [:D]

Cheers, Neilster

[Jimm]

To be fair to my Scottish cousin, the Forth (the river by Edinburgh) could well be argued to be a pretty significant obstacle into/from the Cairngorms which would justify the river being extended to make a proper riverline.

The map doesnt show any river west of the Forth Bridge, whereas in reality it's a pretty wide flow until Kincardine (what 10-15 miles west?) which would take the river to the hex boundary with the Glasgow hex. Have a look on Google Earth and you'll see what I mean.

Its down to whether you take the original Wif map as gospel as far as MWIF is concerned or are prepared to chip away at every inaccuracy. I wont lose any sleep over this one.

For the rest of the Scottish map unless you want to consider sheep or distilleries as items of military significance I think it looks about right to me!

Jimm (married to a Scotswoman!)

PS Ian nice result in the footie the other night!