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I knew that you are playing the "old" one... If you would have the new one then I think it would just take me 15 minutes to find out where you live. Then it would take me another 15 minutes to get there and beg on my knees and a lot of money in my hand to get it.
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ORIGINAL: medaloffairness
So, do you have any cons for the german night fighters over Britain? And would you be so kind and tell me how it works, without actually having it in the game (!?!)
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2. Can I patrol nearby enemy bases with german nightfighters? Hard Sarge said, that it will not be possible...
ORIGINAL: medaloffairness
Dear folks,
I am following the progress of the development of the game with patience... thanks to swift and fochinell for posting their AAR of their game. I read them every time when I enter the forum [:)].
I also have to thank swift for providing me a link to a german forum, which also deals with btr. Swift did a great job with hosting and answering all the questions from the addicted crowd. Unfortunatly the forum seems to be dead since the end of 2006.
I read all the threads and two things seems to be important to mention, which were also discussed in this forums.
1.) It seems that the pilots only gain experience by shooting down planes, but not for just being in combat. Hmm..
Hopefully this is fixed in the new version because this wouldn`t be realistic. I thought about some arguements which would prefer not increasing the experience of the pilots, but none of them sounds really satisfying for me.
No that is wrong, in the old game, pilots in combat gained, I forget the rules, but just flying could gain you exp (if you were below a level, once over that level, then you needed combat to gain), I don't know if the posts are still up on the old forum, but I ran alot of tests on this one, being in combat could gain, shooting down a plane, should gain, making a attack that misses could gain you, being attacked and getting away, could gain you, I seen cases where a pilots with no kills, got 3 points of Exp, while a pilot who shot down a plane gained 1 point, so in the long run, being in a combat unit that does good and living for a while, gives you a pretty good chance of becoming a good/better pilot
2.) I know I come with a topic which I have allready mentioned before...
But as the team is putting that much effort in designing the night fighters and intruders on the allied side, I am still wondering why german night fighters are not allowed to attack landing british bombers. I know that the bad guy in Berlin prohibited it in 1941 and the Operation Gissela was too late and too little but there are still some arguements to have it in the game. (Sorry Hard Sarge)
don't forget, most people complained that there were too many CW nightfighters in the game to start with, what they forget, is not all of the units are in, there were even more units and they were tasked with flying defence patrols, you got to remember there was plenty of action still going on, and in the long run, most of it was bad for the LW units, the baby blitz and stuff like that
but the biggest hassle to adding stuff like that, is the Allied player can not react to it
The first arguement is that it doesn`t really matter that the bad guy prohibited it. If we would follow someone rules in the game than some more tactics -Allied fighters have to stick to the bombers till the beginning of 1944, when Mr. Doolittle gave the order to attack the Luftwaffe and to hunt them down-. Hmm... but it seems that the possibility to do this is available earlier? So, where is the difference?
well, in fact, when Gen Doolittle gave the order, it was a little different and we can not do so in the game yet, he let the fighters loose, they were not held to close escourt tactics, he allowed them to roam, they could get out in front of the raid, they could swing out to the sides, and once there time on target was over, they could drop to the deck and go hunting, that stuff we still can not do yet
In the game it is possible to produce some type of planes earlier than in reality, so why not a tactic?. the Do335 which is used by some players as their prefered fighter never took of for combat in reality. [X(]
I think this is the thing which really make this game really the best game so far among other strategy games with the same scope. We are playing in an realistic environment, but can influence on a stratigical and tactical basis what will happen.[&o][&o][&o]
I hope someone who read my thread will understand why I am wondering that this is not in the game. I think it would be an additional challange for the allied and the axis player, because then the mossies also have to defend their homebases. It would be nice if I could hear some pros and cons related to this topic.
3.) I also read in some books that one tactic of the B17 boxes was to have one B17 among them which carried less or no bombs but were full of machine guns. I have seen a photo of this kind of B17 but I read their were only a little amount in combat. Does anyone have info about them?
that would be the YB-17, but the trouble was they were heavy and slow, which while the bomb armed 17s were close to the same speed with bombs, once the bombs were dropped, they were much faster and didn't want to hang around to let the YBs keep up, they only flew a few missions
Have a nice weekend,
Regards Chris
Keep talking, keep asking or debateing, I got a open mind
ORIGINAL: medaloffairness
Thanks for the reply Hard Sarge,
Ad 1.) As I said, I read that this in the forum I mentionend, it is great to hear that it is not the case... Then I will take care of my Hungarian pilots
keep them alive and they should do well, they got some good pilots to start with
Ad 2.) Hmm... the hassle is that the allied pilot can not react... do they have to?
not the pilot, the player
If a squadron runs out of fuel, get damaged or got the order to return it will land at its homebase, regardless of the fact that maybe tons of day fighters patrol or night fighters patrol over the base. In this case even the axis player can do little against it, exept closing his eyes and beg for a wonder cause the pilots are very likely to be dead when they are shot down.
As an allied player I would calculate the time when the night bombers will return to their base an set a patrol over their bases in order to attack the german night intruders (it would be the same like patroling over the german bases) in the planning phase.
Maybe AA Guns are another topic... because if daylight comes up, of course german night intruders have only a small chance to come home... but this is the risk the german player has to take and cancel the missions when daylight is coming up.
A tactical measure against such german raids would be that the allied player tries to set the time of attacking german targets as late in the night as possible, so there is the chance to cross the channel when daylight is growing (?), but then probably the wilde sau of the germans will be more succesfull if the allied player didn`t calculate times right. Ah... this would be nice... for the Allied and the Axis player...
but that is the hassle, now we adding 30-40 more plotted missions a day for the Allied player, and then you got all of the Allied AA that should be set up, along with all of the radar sites, not to mention the rest of the night fighters that are kept out of the game, that are suppost to be on defence patrol missions to stop this from happening
which over all, I think BC poor landing skills, do much more damage to the end of the raids then a chance Intruder getting into place
3.) Oh, thanks for info. Sounds logical for me... The germans did the same with some U-boats (They had 3 big AA guns on deck and were thought to be a trap for Sunderlands and Liberators which were hunting them).. and suffered very high losses
I`m open minded too... thanks for giving me the audience to post my thoughts.
Best Regards Chris
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Since we´re asking questions... I have two of my own.
4. How many replacement pilots does each side get per day? I cannot find the information in the manual.
that info was always on the quiet side, it is not in the manual or in any release notes
5. How does research into new plane types work (for the Axies), and when can I expect the new plane types to arrive?
old game, 100 frames, 100 engines and 100 parts, would advance the new plane model by one month (if the plane needed 1 part each) we made double this
And a comment regarding LW raids on Allied airfields... sure, the Allied player cannot react to that - however, he COULD detail squadrons to defensive patrols during the planning phase, and these squadrons could then react according to a pre-determined doctrine when German planes approach. On the other hand, I agree that this would break the whole asymmetrical model of gameplay.
yes, but also remember, there are units on defence mode, that are not in the game for this reason, they are seen as being on patrol protecting the homeland
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
old game, 100 frames, 100 engines and 100 parts, would advance the new plane model by one month (if the plane needed 1 part each) we made double this
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
(18) New Pilot Replacement Rates
Each nationality has a certain number of pilots it can receive each day. If your losses outstrip your supply of pilots, then you won't be able to fill your units. What you get is based on need. In 1940, Germans can expect to receive 15 new pilots each day; 10 British; 4 Canadian; 2 Polish; 2 Czech; 10 Americans. For 1941 campaigns, the amount is double the amounts for 1940 campaigns. New pilots have a low experience. On average, it will be 40 for Germans, 45 for British/Poles/Canadians/Czech, and 50 for Americans. New Zealand and Australians also get their own replacement pilots.
hmmm, now that is very odd, there were "only" around 10 Americans recorded as being BoB pilots (I say only, as there were more, but they were set up as being RCAF and not US)
which I do not see or know why there are American pilots in the old game, there are no so called American units, so they wouldn't be used, also the RCAF is very high for the number of Units in Action, while the Poles and to a lesser amount the Czech are low
(we don't use that replacement rate)(and I have added the American Eagle Squadrons to the 41 Campaign)
