Andy Mac ...... Revenge of the Allies

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:25 pm

Just finished a detailed review of my options its not pretty the conclusion I have came to is I need to wait 100 days the battle of Tinian is going to be a long haul.
 
I need to accept now that Pauk will get some reinforcements and supplies in but I need to be as aggressive as I can to slow them up.
 
OK over the next 70 days I Get the following list of ships and troops
 
1. West Coast arrivals 2 CV's, 15 CVE's, 1 CL and 45 DD's.
2. West Coast Yards 1 CV, 2 BB's, 1 CA and 2 2 CL's
3. Eastern Fleet already en route 1 CVL, 2 CVE's, 7 BB's, 12 CA's, 12 CL's. 4 CLAA's, 17 DD's
4. Eastern Fleet new additions - 1 CV, 2 BB's, 18 DD's
 
Ground Units
 
I have 6 Divs or equivalents resting at Pearl, 1 En route to Pearl and 2 Divs that arrive in next 70 days plus 1 I can realease from the Aus Militia - So I can muster another 10 Divs but only 4 Armoured Bns in 100 days.
 
I also recieve 4 fully equipped B29 Gps.
 
Thats the resources - the plan will need to be worked up but I think it has to be the following.
 
For the next 100 days my fleet will interdict Tinian in as much as I can. I need to accept its not 100% possible and plan for a concentrated campaign in 100 days which will be slow.
 
So I will send in supplies now and allow my forces to recover so no more attacks for 100 days.
 
1 x BG from now on will be round the clock on night AF attack to try and slow fort building, my BB's and CV's acting as one force will  periodically close the AF.
 
In 100 days my reinforced fleet bolstered by the reinforcing forces will hit Pauk with everything I have left my goal in the meantime interdict what I can and keep that dammed AF shut.
 
Pre requisites 1. close the dammed training AF's even if it means diverting Superforts, 2. Interdict as much as I can, 3. Dont lose any more capital ships.
 
If anyone can come up with a better plan I am all ears...
 
 

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:34 pm

This means at best the fall of Tinian by the end of September 44 say clearance of Marianas by November not pretty but about the best I can hope for given where we are.
 
In the meantime I will order all my rear area carrier groups to 70% training missions to try and get a crop of reasonably trained pilots for the next round

ny59giants · Post by **ny59giants** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:11 pm

I know that you don't do the "training camps" for ethic reasons. However, where could you send your rebuilt CV TF (ethically acceptable targets) so the pilots could gain some experience so when you go back hard at the Mariana's they have a better chance of survival??

Agree about closing down his training program. If not, they should be just finishing up in time to counter your big push in 100 days. [:(]

veji1 · Post by **veji1** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:46 am

true, milk runs on Marcus with the CVs would build up there experience and be a very fair way of doing so, "a la Wake"..

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:39 am

Oh I 100% agree with that I will happily train against Marcus.
 
I think its going to be a fine balancing act I need to keep as much pressure on Tinian as possible without breaking my fleet until such time as my reinforcements arrive.
 
AND
 
I need to not commit reinforcements piecemeal. I need to gather them into one almighty fleet and reinvade in force.
 
I am tempted to perhaps assign one ANZAC Div to the Marshalls as under cover of LBA they could sieze a few bases and keep attriting Jap air power - Pauk has probably evacced most of it now..
 
So I hate the thought of 'waiting 100 days' as this is time I cannot afford to lose BUT I need to maintain a credible threat against Tinian and interdict it as much as I can.
 
Phase 1 is I need to back off and fill up my sqns with fighters just now my fighter groups are sufficiently worn down that I need to back off fast.
 
Andy

Bliztk · Post by **Bliztk** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:56 am

Now that you are pausing, you NEED bases in range of Tinian.

Check Woleai, north NG, Marshalls to see if you can grab something cheaply.

A base of 0,0 with 8 Seabees will be a dangerous 3,3 fort 9 in a pair of weeks and you have a zillion of Seabees and EAB

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:13 pm

I looked at those bases Bliztk no way to far behind the lines remember pauk closed down SWPAC brilliantly I would have Palua ahead Marianas to my left NG to my right and New Britain behind me - err no thanks !!!!

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:07 pm

Game back on Pauk has relented !!!
 
Apparently he had forgotten about the HR restricting 2E to 4E the time has really passed when it would have been of value as I allowed B24D and B17 to drop out of service.
 
I will increase the proportion of heavies but it does little good now - it would have been usefull in suppressing Chinese bases and Burma instead of all the tacticals ah well cest la vie.
 
Still on my 100 day plan concentrating trying not to lose anything else until I can take him out.
 
Andy

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:33 pm

Not much to say really ships are moving troops are resting

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/13/44

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Night Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 18

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 6
J2M Jack x 64
A6M3a Zero x 27
B5N Kate x 9
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 48
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 80

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
34 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
17 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
18 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
2 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 6
J2M Jack x 64
A6M3a Zero x 27
B5N Kate x 9
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 48
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 80

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
34 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
17 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
18 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 5000 feet
2 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 24

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 35
P1Y Frances x 47
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 52

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 109

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
32 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
9 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
5 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
9 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
7 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
35 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
2 x P1Y Frances bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 27
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 102
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 33
Ki-21 Sally x 32

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 74

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
24 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
23 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
33 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 39
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 109

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
24 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
23 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 78

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 144

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 9
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 8

No Allied losses

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Alor Star , at 24,44

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 12
B-24J Liberator x 21

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Taiping , at 23,45

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 6
P-38J Lightning x 4
B-24J Liberator x 76

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 70

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 3
B-24J Liberator x 2

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Nauru Island , at 79,91

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 23

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 41
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 65
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
41 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 33
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 28

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
33 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Chinese Corps, at 44,32

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 51
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 66

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
43 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
8 x J2M Jack bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 43,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
N1K1-J George x 27
A6M3a Zero x 51
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 98

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
93 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
34 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet
24 x A6M3a Zero bombing at 2000 feet
27 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 93rd Chinese Division, at 29,31

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 10
Ki-49 Helen x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Ki-84-Ia Frank bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd New Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th USA Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 30510 feet
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Day Air attack on 93rd USA Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on 77th USA Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on 77th USA Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 21
Ki-49 Helen x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 30510 feet
21 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 32810 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th/A Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 11
Kittyhawk III x 20
Thunderbolt II x 17
Liberator VI x 41
Mosquito FB.VI x 30
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 4
P-40N Warhawk x 32
P-47C Thunderbolt x 24
B-25J Mitchell x 86
B-24J Liberator x 27

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
618 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
13 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
36 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
24 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
13 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
11 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th/A Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 5
Liberator VI x 16
B-25J Mitchell x 6
B-24J Liberator x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 104th/C Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 24

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 104th/C Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
SBD Dauntless x 6
SB2C Helldiver x 41
TBM Avenger x 7
Spitfire VIII x 8
Thunderbolt II x 24
Liberator VI x 10
Mosquito FB.VI x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 23

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
14 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
15 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
15 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
26 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 104th/C Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 23

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
14 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 110th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 3
Liberator VI x 9
Mosquito FB.VI x 2
B-25J Mitchell x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Thunderbolt II x 3
Liberator VI x 19
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 9
P-47C Thunderbolt x 7
B-25J Mitchell x 27
B-24J Liberator x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
4 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Thunderbolt II bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
7 x P-47C Thunderbolt bombing at 2000 feet
5 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th/B Division, at 33,30

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Thunderbolt II x 4
Liberator VI x 28
B-25J Mitchell x 6
B-24J Liberator x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th/A Brigade, at 26,40

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
Barracuda x 35
Spitfire VIII x 42
B-25J Mitchell x 33
B-24J Liberator x 24
B-29 Superfortress x 42

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
397 casualties reported
Guns lost 15

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Barracuda bombing at 16000 feet
15 x Barracuda bombing at 16000 feet
9 x Barracuda bombing at 16000 feet
12 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Spitfire VIII bombing at 2000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
33 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet
18 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,62

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 142
F4U-1 Corsair x 30
F4U-1D Corsair x 27
SB2C Helldiver x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hayabusa, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,62

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 142
F4U-1 Corsair x 30
F4U-1D Corsair x 27
SB2C Helldiver x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hayabusa, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 60,62

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 17

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hayabusa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Charles N. McGroarty, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 61,61

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 4

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 196
F4U-1 Corsair x 44
F4U-1D Corsair x 26
Corsair IV x 2
F6F-5N Hellcat x 88

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 73,64

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AO Marias

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th USA Division, at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 damaged

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Ground combat at Mandalay

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 117988 troops, 706 guns, 1442 vehicles, Assault Value = 2829

Defending force 84642 troops, 613 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 1865

Japanese ground losses:
600 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 32

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Ground combat at 26,40

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 51882 troops, 581 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2668

Defending force 76122 troops, 746 guns, 611 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Ground combat at Tinian

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13212 troops, 357 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4859

Defending force 142946 troops, 1181 guns, 152 vehicles, Assault Value = 3123

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:44 pm

Fights are ongoing my carriers attacked the Marianas losing a a few hundred more F6F's

You know I dont mind disagreeing on HR's I dont mind bugs but ground attack pilot training infuriates me.

Andy

Speedysteve · Post by **Speedysteve** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:10 pm

Well mate I REALLY don't know how you can/do play games with an arm tied behind your back. It makes sense (to me at least) to have even rules on those issues - i.e. neither side is allowed training bombings or both are etc.),. Makes no sense to me allowing them to do it and you not. I almost guarantee you will lose between 2-10K points due to it....seriously.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:31 pm

Sorry I was a little bitter and out of order on my earlier post.

It just gets frustrating watching all those ground attack aces being created and knowing that I cannot stop it

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:34 pm

I shoot down Japanese plaes even in PDU at 1.5 or 2 to 1 but my pilot quality is now int he 30's and 40's because I wont use that tactic while japanese pilot quality increases.

Ah well I have made enough mistakes of my own that this is not the sole cause for my current predicament but it hasnt helped.

Speedysteve · Post by **Speedysteve** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:46 pm

I agree. It doesn't help at all and I can guarantee it will cost you in your game at least 2-3K extra dead pilots....probably more depending on your style of play.
 
I know you've both played this game in honour though so won't preach any further. Only to say I never allow one side this kind of benefit and not the other [:)]

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:47 pm

I can just about cope with ground attack  training in a non PDU game - just its not easy but I can manage - against Pauk in a PDU game its very nearly impossible I cannot wear down his pilot quality and my own falls at an incredible rate weird that the allies are more concious of pilots than the Japanese.

I am not looking for pity as Speedy says its my own choice but in the depths of the night  will admit it pisses me off.

Andy

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:51 pm

Speedy I am in catch 22 I WILL NOT do it myself

But Pauk has done it since day one and I refuse to raise it with him we just simply disagree on this point you cannot train fighter pilots in dogfighting by performing strafing runs on rice paddies - Japanese have trained more Saburo Sakais than the USN had trained pilots in the whole war where I am getting a series of Elmar Fudds !!!!

Speedysteve · Post by **Speedysteve** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:56 pm

Agreed. I won't comment on curent games in this post since you'ved all played to your rules. All I will say is please consider playing with EQUAL rules in your future games. Without them one sdie or the other is fighting with a hand tied behind their back which is fruitless (IMO) in these games......[:)]

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:13 pm

Yup I agree Speedy.
 
I am extremely busy so turns have slowed down.
 
Average pilot xp in my carriers is now 40 with most groups having large numbers of 30 ish xp pilots - I am ordering a 3 - 4 day attack on the Marcus islands to try an build xp all caariers are participating - this is not the same in my view as training camps but whether it is or not I feel I have no choice.
 
Andy

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:54 pm

OK guys sorry about the lack of updates I am sure you can all guess why !!!

OK whats been happening ?

Well the truth is not much.....

I have been reorganising

At Pearl or en route the newly forming 10th US Army

1st Aus Corps (4 Divs plus an attached Cav Bde and Ard Regt)
24th US Corps (3 Divs plus 2 Ard regts)
1st US Corps (3 Divs, PI RCT plus 2 Ard Regts)

passing Fiji en route to Pearl what will become US 11th Corps
2 x PI Divs
1 x US Div
1 x Aus Div
1 x Dutch Regt

Yup scraping th ebottom of the barrel now....

eta for this force to be ready to load 30 days.

Also en route naval reinforcements from Easter Fleet

1 CVL
2 CVE (RN)
7 Battleships (5 RN)
12 Heavy Cruisers (4 RN)
12 Light Cruisers (8 RN)
4 CLAA (3 RN)
and about 20 Destroyers

En route to Pearl new build or repaired
1 x CV (Hancock)
2 x BB's
7 x CVE
1 x CA
4 x CL
12 x DD

Estimated to be repaired or released by builders and ready in time for the offensive

3 x CV (Randolph, Hornet and Enterprise)
7 x CVE
1 x BB
2 x CA
12 x DD's

Add to that 5th Fleet currently at Marcus

4 x CV
23 x CVE
6 x BB
3 x CA
3 x CL
2 x CLAA
110 x DD's

This fleet will be used to assault land 10th Army probably onto Tinian to support 8th Army whose 4 Corps are marroned there (16 Divs and 22 Ard regts)

8th Army cannot take the base because Pauk can rebuild forts faster than I can knock em down without air superiority but he has left 3000 AV of troops on the island which if I can eliminate them will leave him short of garrison troops especially given wehats about to happen in the west......

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:12 pm

In the West well Pauk only has to remain ignorant of my plans for about 2 more days and he will I hope get his front blown open.

Over the last two months I have bee resting troops in Calcutta fromt he Mandalay front rebuilding them ready for my next move.

At Mandalay Lt General Auchinlecks Malaya Army has on the front line III Indian Corps with 2,000 AV in th erear assmebled in great secrecy is a rested force of the Burma Corps another 2,000 AV all rested and prepped for Mandalay.

III Corps attacked mandalay a few weeks ago in a probing attack to test how strong it was and they almost achieved a 1 to 1 since then I have accelerated my air to mud campaign

When the Burma Corps comes into the line I should finally have th estrength to blow a hole in the Mandalay front.

At the same time plans are afoot in Southern Malaya where we have been at standoff for a while
 
US 6th Army is trapped in a pocket with Indian 15th Corps holding the northen end with 2,000 AV and US 14th Corps the southern witrh 2,000 AV neither force is strong enough to make progress.

British 14th Army holds the VP front with Indian 33rd Corps with another 1,500 AV held up on this fornt.

As I said earlier too many Corps with to little force all spread out and being defeated in detail..

In addition there is an improvised Corps in Sumatra with another 1,000 AV.

Well over the last few months I have been secretly and slowly reconcentrated and I am almost ready

The imporvised Corps was disbanded and its 3 Divisions trasnferred to VP
7th Indian, 25th Indian and as much of the armour as I could scrape up has been lifted out of the pocket taking 1,200 AV out of the Bandou pocket.

I now have a rested supplied reserve at VP of 2,200 directly under 14th Army control.

The plan is that in 3 days

2 plans will kick off.

Operation Talisker the assault on Mandalay will begin Burma Corps will move into the line and General Auchinlecks force will try to bounce Pauk out of Mandalay getting a retreat is vital.

Operation 'EVEN SCOTSMEN CAN LEARN FROM THIER MISTAKES AND CONCENTRATE'  will kick off in the south when Slim tries to rejoin 6th US Army via a rail link if this is achieved the force holding 15th Indian Amry will be cut off and 15th Corps will immediately go on the offensive to break them.

Its a complicated plan but I needed to reconcentrate as I had allowed myself to get dispersed. One great mass of Divisions is not pretty but it sure is dammed effective....

Andy Mac ...... Revenge of the Allies

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