Is there a possibility of being relieved of command?

[siRkid]

Originally posted by Ron Saueracker
As Kid admitted, he is playing a grossly reckless game;

Hey, I did not admit to this. I said I was playing a very aggressive game and that General Grant is my idol.:p

[Ron Saueracker]

OK. I'll stop buggin' ya. How many transports are in the pipeline? Iain believes you may have a shipping shortage soon due to losses.

[Rob Roberson]

in a war of attrition (the American way of fighting a war) the moves you made were not really that reckless. Let's face it. IF this didnt end in 43, you could expect to replace that shipping loss..easily, another few months and liberty ships will be rolling off the lines.

[mogami]

Originally posted by Kid


Hey, I did not admit to this. I said I was playing a very aggressive game and that General Grant is my idol.:p

Hi,
Ulysses S. Grant remains a figure profoundly misunderstood in history and in popular culture. Often portrayed as a slovenly drunkard, Grant was actually a modest and moral man, uncommonly devoted to his wife and children. Possessing a keen and understated sense of humor, his droll wit made him something of a raconteur with his friends.

Grant was an outstanding military figure the best General America produced during the Civil War.
Grant was not a reckless or daring General. He is often misrepresented to have suffered high casualties. Only rarely did he make costly frontal attacks before adopting maneuver over assault. There was a time that probably inspired Cold Harbor. That was the spontaneous assault at 'Lookout Mountain' where the troops attacked without orders and captured a very strong position. Grants great accomplishments were a result of his being able to look very deep into a position and devise strategy.
After he assumed command of the entire Northern Army is was his plan that launched Sherman on his great march. He traveled with and oversaw the AOP as it slowly maneuvered the ANV into Petersburg where it was no longer a threat. During this time period the two armies were closest in strength then any other period yet the ANV was unable to do to Grant what it had done to every other Union General in the East (free it's self to conduct campaign away from Richmond). Grant nailed it down and strangled it, he did not bleed it by using superior numbers (he didn't have them) Overall Grant was the General who displayed the greatest stratigic sense in the American Civil War. He always studied a situation and then was able to move into positions that allowed him victory. He never repeated a mistake but always exploited those of his enemies. An excellent choice for a hero provided you emlulate his strengths and not his alledged weakness.

Belmont Estimated Casualties: 1,464 total (US 498; CS 966)

Fort Henry Estimated Casualties: 119 total (US 40; CS 79)

Fort Donalson Estimated Casualties: 17,398 total (US 2,331; CS 15,067)

Shiloh Estimated Casualties: 23,746 total (US 13,047; CS 10,699)

Vicksburg Estimated Casualties: 19,233 total (US 10,142; CS 9,091

Wilderness Estimated Casualties: 29,800 total (US 18,400; CS 11,400)



Date: Federal Confederate Ratio
June, 1864 96,076 55,350 1.74 - 1
July, 1864 89,049 57,528 1.55 - 1
August, 1864 51,142 48,501 1.05 - 1
September, 1864 71,504 45,563 1.57 - 1
October, 1864 77,302 54,651 1.41 - 1
November, 1864 81,922 58,287 1.41 - 1
December, 1864 95,131 59,171 1.61 - 1
January, 1865 100,429 45,829 2.19 - 1
February, 1865 106,286 47,197 2.25 - 1
March, 1865 97,185 --------
Average 86,603 52,453 1.65 - 1

[Rob Roberson]

You better be writing history books. I use to consider myself a student of history (specifically the Pacific War) but you sir amaze me. Turn this knowledge into profit!

[siRkid]

When I referred to following Grants strategy, I was talking about his refusal to retreat and his belief that you had to press your enemy at many different points. He was willing to take causalities to get the job done. I did not throw his name out there on a whim.

Rick
PS I agree with your analysis of Grant.

[corbulo]

Sherman won the war for the Union. Read Shelby Footes chapter on the atlanta campaign "red clay minuet" It was Sherman coming up from N. Carolina that forced Lee to attack at Fort Steadman, otherwise Grant would not have taken Richmond. I dont know about your casualty figures. I have walked over all the battlefields in virginia of 1864, The Army of the Potomac, when it arrived in front of Petersburg was incapable of any further operations. Grant lost 70,000 men between Wilderness and Petersburg. Lincoln, it is true, would not let him do what he wanted, land amphibiously in North Carolina and take Richmond from the SOuth. I am not trying to diminish Grants accomplishments. I think Sherman was arguably the greatest american military figure. He only made one frontal assualt- Kennesaw Mt. He never admitted it was a mistake, but he never did it again, either.

[osros]

I agree the game should continue no matter what. There are many times when my forces still have fight left in them or Im setting up a major combined attack only to have game end due to time limitations or whatever.

Also there are many cases where a force outnumbered and or outgunned and still pulls off a victory due to bravery, leadership. Is this somehow modeled? Or does it come down to just the math?


Thanks

[mogami]

Originally posted by corbulo
Sherman won the war for the Union. Read Shelby Footes chapter on the atlanta campaign "red clay minuet" It was Sherman coming up from N. Carolina that forced Lee to attack at Fort Steadman, otherwise Grant would not have taken Richmond. I dont know about your casualty figures. I have walked over all the battlefields in virginia of 1864, The Army of the Potomac, when it arrived in front of Petersburg was incapable of any further operations. Grant lost 70,000 men between Wilderness and Petersburg. Lincoln, it is true, would not let him do what he wanted, land amphibiously in North Carolina and take Richmond from the SOuth. I am not trying to diminish Grants accomplishments. I think Sherman was arguably the greatest american military figure. He only made one frontal assualt- Kennesaw Mt. He never admitted it was a mistake, but he never did it again, either.

Hi, Sherman was an Army Commander following Grants orders.
Grant was not in Command of the AOP he only traveled with it.. He was in command of all the forces of the United States. If Sherman won the war then Grant has to get the credit for sending him. The major importance of US Grant to military history is the changes he brought to war at the Operational level.
High tempo /year round war. He was not in tactical control of battles after Ft Donalson Like Lee he left tactics to his commanders he did however reapeatedly place them in positions where they could win only to be foiled by the AOP's habit of being an hour late. (even Sheridan and Hancock failed at critical moments) the stubborn trait in Grant made him just devise another move to give them another chance. It is in Operational level planning that he was the innovator Gen GG Meade retained command of the AOP the whole period after Gettysburg.

[brisd]

Grant coordinated the final campaigns of 1864/65 and credit for the rapid collapse of the Confederacy can be laid at his feet. He had some superb generals under his command. Sherman being #1. I consider myself well read on the Civil War and conclude that it was more Gen. Lee's superb defensive tactics than Grant/Meade's tactical inability that led to such horrendous casualties. Despite Lee's wrecking the Army of the Potamac, the Army of Northern Virginia was in similar shape and capable of no offensive. Lee knew that if Grant reached Petersburg/Richmond, it was but a matter of time as he suffered desertions and steady attrition that he could not replace. Grant did nearly take Petersburg in '64 when he outmanuvered Lee by crossing the James but his subordinates were not up to the task.

Sherman's capture of Atlanta, march to the sea and capture of Savannah won the war because it reelected Lincoln. Grant would have taken Richmond and defeated Lee in the field in April '65 whether Sherman came north or not. Sherman did those operations under Grant's orders but there is no doubt he was a superb tactician and that he understood modern warfare.

Grant is my personal hero and I am reading several biographies and his own Memoirs, which is incredible reading, considering he was dying of throat cancer at the time he wrote them. Someday I will make a pilgramage to his tomb and salute the savior of the United States and an unappreciated President as well.

-a displanted Buckeye

[siRkid]

Originally posted by Ron Saueracker
OK. I'll stop buggin' ya. How many transports are in the pipeline? Iain believes you may have a shipping shortage soon due to losses.

I counted about 100 still in the pipe line, but things are very strained.

Rick

Boy one small statement about Grant and........