To Buy Or Not To Buy? That Is The Question...

[JudgeDredd]

Well, well, well.

I never thought I'd see the like....a long, drawn out thread with a distinct negative light about a fantastic game.

Johan, I think you did extremely well for your first attempt. I have had and am still having hours of fun (I hate the subs though) and I thank you very much for a great game which, imho, was well worth the money I paid.

Sure you have things to learn, but your first attempt was very, very promising. I look forward to see what else you conjour up in your career!

And I am NOT Johans mother! [:'(]

**edited for spelling (as usual! [8|])

[Syagrius]

Well said Judge.  I tried several times to get info from Johan and Ian about the next game in the series however they still dont want to say anything about it! [:'(]

[SeaMonkey]

Some work on the naval aspects and the amphibious features, some more fine tuning on the air to naval relationship and then move this baby into the Pacific.

There's really no competition in the Pacific.

This is the arena to really improve this game model, immediately into the forefront of everyones attention, hence there will be much more feedback and a faster evolution of the game's acceptance.

Later, come back to ETO and tie both of them in.

[Syagrius]

The map of a Pacific game should include Burma and Malaysia to cover the important battles fought over there (like the fall of Singapore and Imphal).  The east coast of China and Manchuria also. 

[leastonh1]

ORIGINAL: Barthheart
I ran screaming from it and it's gotta be my 451st wargame......[X(][:'(]

Me too! I looked, I drooled, I ran away. It was a seriously good game, but without retiring and giving up all family life I'd never have time to play WitP unfortunately. Besides, it would probably take me years to learn.

@anyone...

CEAW looks really good on paper, and it's great that we're being given some choices for the newcomers to look at properly. The grognards are never going to be happy because you can't realistically recreate war without actually having one! The noobs who want to try something a little more cerebral than the latest Doom clone are going to be put off by complex rules and intricate micromanagement. So, this game hides all the stuff mere mortals don't care about and lets you just dive in and play by the looks of it.

Regards,
Jim

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

The hobby could honestly use a few more games like CEAW and CAW. Games with less severe learning curves and modern interfaces are great tools to appeal to a wider audience and get more folks into wargaming. Sure, some folks jump right in with WITP, but most would run screaming from it if it were their first wargame.

I'm glad SOMEONE finally heard me at Matrixgames about less detailed more fun easy to learn hard to master type entry level games.

The only issue "I" have with this entry level game is the PRICE!! Cmon $59.99 for THIS?!! You aren't going to get very many NEWcomers to wargaming with a price like that for a toddlers toy entry level wargame Erik.

I've always admired Slitherines prices (before Matrixgames got their grubby greedy little hands on them) when they sold brand new games for $29.99 (I got Spartan for $29.99 less $10.00 off coupon) You need to whittle the price of this game back down to at least $39.99 (before christmas special) to be fair and really open the door for these socalled NEWcomers to wargaming you speak of.

[decaro]

It's hard to buy a (new) good game for < $50, unless you do what I did and wait several years to buy Rome: Total War for $15!

However, I notice Matrix games don't go down in price w/age, although there is the occaisional "blitz" sale.

[Vypuero]

It costs $50

[slybelle]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

The hobby could honestly use a few more games like CEAW and CAW. Games with less severe learning curves and modern interfaces are great tools to appeal to a wider audience and get more folks into wargaming. Sure, some folks jump right in with WITP, but most would run screaming from it if it were their first wargame.

I'm glad SOMEONE finally heard me at Matrixgames about less detailed more fun easy to learn hard to master type entry level games.

The only issue "I" have with this entry level game is the PRICE!! Cmon $59.99 for THIS?!! You aren't going to get very many NEWcomers to wargaming with a price like that for a toddlers toy entry level wargame Erik.

I've always admired Slitherines prices (before Matrixgames got their grubby greedy little hands on them) when they sold brand new games for $29.99 (I got Spartan for $29.99 less $10.00 off coupon) You need to whittle the price of this game back down to at least $39.99 (before christmas special) to be fair and really open the door for these socalled NEWcomers to wargaming you speak of.

For me it is not so much spending the $50-$60, its spending that kind of money without knowing whether I would ultimately like it. That is where a demo would be great. Without it, really hard to keep spending that kind of money just to try games that I may never like.

The review sounded good so I'm hoping someday a demo is released for us 'fence sitters' to try it out.

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: Vypuero

It costs $50

You forget the physical copy is $10 more plus shipping and handling. And whatever even $50 is too much for THIS game in particular. Way too much. If I were a newcomer to wargaming I wouldn't pay $50 for this. Not when there are other entry level wargames for much less.

[New York Jets]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
...[snip]

So your take on things is that when some one makes an inquiry of other gamers through these forums only fanbois need apply?

You should be ashamed.

p.s. In my anger over your post I completely forgot to provide my opinion and recommendation in response to the original poster's question. Don't buy, huge waste of $70.

Agreed and thank you for your input.

[New York Jets]

ORIGINAL: Dion

..[snip] I think it's the greatest wargame ever made! You have to get this one.

Do you get a percentage of sales, or what?

I've played a lot of war games over the last 35+ years and this is a bold statement. [;)]