ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Several have mentioned War in Russia, and others have mentioned Avalon Hill games.
Not long before Avalon Hill gave up the ghost, they worked on some computer games - poor guys knew they had to keep up with the PC-generated revolution in gaming, but they didn't and I believe that drove them out of business.
One of AH's last gasp efforts (about nine years ago) was a computerized game dealing with Stalingrad. It was similar to WitP in that both sides entered orders and then the turn ran. It was a pretty good game. I had it, but can't find it now. Perhaps my wife threw it away. Anybody remember it?
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Where those the ones they did with Atomic Games? There was a D-day, Crusader and Stalingrad?
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Yes, that was it. I remember the first time I played it, how surprised I was at the number of "counters" there were for German allies like Romania, Italy, etc. I had always thought Stalingrad was a disaster only involving German troops.
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I played that "Stalingrad" too. I played the heck out of it, in fact. It was a good game. So was Operation Crusader for that matter. I think I was a beta-tester on one of those games; don't remember which. I was also a beta-tester on "Third Reich PC," which wasn't their best effort, but still worth playing IMHO.

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I was also a beta-tester on "Third Reich PC," which wasn't their best effort, but still worth playing IMHO.
I was a 3R Beta too. So much possibility and then resources dried up...
If I was filthy rich I would buy rights to 3Rpc and try again.
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RE: Possible WITP news?
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Let's see, what other old rumours could we resurrect?
How about War In the Med? [:'(]
Hi Bradfordkay,
I just e-mailed someone who emailed someone else who's in the know and has good connections. My buddy gave me the scoop and, man you are so gunna like it!
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After Avalon Hill came out with Victory In The Pacific, didn't they come out with War At Sea using the same game mechanics, covering the Atlantic and Med?
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Victory in the Pacific, War at Sea and the med variant is called War at Sea Deux but produced by a different company.
Those games had too many bugs in them - or was that termites![:D] Actually I still have AH Victory in the Pacific. I played that game until the ink wore off the counters.
Anyway, does anyone remember a PC turn based game called HIGH COMMAND? It covered the war in Europe and I think it was by a company called......360? I thought it was pretty good and remembered wishing there was something similar for the Pacific Theater. Many years later I found WITP - HEAVEN!!!
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I still have "Wacht am Rhein" by SPI. Still my favorite land combat game (non-computer). Played that one some many times I can almost recite the whole German OOB.
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
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They need to come out with a remake of Secrets of the Lueftwafe - now that was a fun game!
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[8D]Any of the "Fleets" would be great! (2nd,3rd,5th,6th and 7th). It would be intresting to see updated versions though.[:)]
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After Avalon Hill came out with Victory In The Pacific, didn't they come out with War At Sea using the same game mechanics, covering the Atlantic and Med?
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Other way around. AH came up w/ the Atlantic game before the Pacific game. Don't remember who came up w/ the idea to link them (w/ new areas, new ships and rule changes) but I think it was later standardized and sold.
Edited for aesthetic purposes.
I remember the Med add on was introduced as a "cut out" in the General magazine and you had to mount the naval pieces on your own counters.
Came with one man Italian subs,etc.

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RE: Possible WITP news?
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I still have "Wacht am Rhein" by SPI. Still my favorite land combat game (non-computer). Played that one some many times I can almost recite the whole German OOB.
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
My favorite naval board game was Wooden Ships and Iron Men.
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RE: Possible WITP news?
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants
I still have "Wacht am Rhein" by SPI. Still my favorite land combat game (non-computer). Played that one some many times I can almost recite the whole German OOB.
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
My favorite naval board game was Wooden Ships and Iron Men.
That was fun. Never got to play too much though.
RE: Possible WITP news?
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
I still have "Wacht am Rhein" by SPI. Still my favorite land combat game (non-computer). Played that one some many times I can almost recite the whole German OOB.
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
I have Wacht am Rhein upstairs in the loft--it was republished. We used the 6th Fleet series to generate test scenarios for modern naval command and control systems.
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"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
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Yeah , some of us in my squadron would "re-game" exercises and problems with the fleet series , then latter with "Harpoon" when that game out.
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I still have "Wacht am Rhein" by SPI. Still my favorite land combat game (non-computer). Played that one some many times I can almost recite the whole German OOB.
Best Naval board game for me, at least, was Sixth Fleet by VG.
Put 2 American CV in a TF together and the Russians were toast. [:D]
I have Wacht am Rhein upstairs in the loft--it was republished. We used the 6th Fleet series to generate test scenarios for modern naval command and control systems.
RE: Possible WITP news?
Actually I know exactly what the WITP news is all about.
It's (see next page)
RE: Possible WITP news?
Thank you. And for your next trick , you will tease some small animal? [:-]
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Actually I know exactly what the WITP news is all about.
It's (see next page)
RE: Possible WITP news?
Hmmm.

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Thank you. And for your next trick , you will tease some small animal? [:-]ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Actually I know exactly what the WITP news is all about.
It's (see next page)
Let Don have his little laughs; he works very hard on this project, and it's not often his boss lets him out of his cage...[:D]
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Thank you. And for your next trick , you will tease some small animal? [:-]ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
Actually I know exactly what the WITP news is all about.
It's (see next page)
Let Don have his little laughs; he works very hard on this project, and it's not often his boss lets him out of his cage...[:D]
Speaking of which...DON, GET BACK IN YOUR CAGE!!!!! [;)][:D]
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