Uncommon Valor has Gone Gold

daniel123 · Post by **daniel123** » Sun May 05, 2002 2:01 pm

I like a manual in book form also, but today just about everyone has a printer color or not. The highest cost of shipping a manual with the game is postage. The government run postage monoplys only know one sentence
!!!!!!! "RAISE THE RATES" !!!!!!!

osros · Post by **osros** » Sun May 05, 2002 7:16 pm

Well with or without a Manual the cost of the games still remain the same! So that means the maker is saving some coin. Thats
great and for those would dont care if the manual is on paper or PDF thats fine also.

But for those of us you WANT a manual on paper may feel cheated in some way for paying the same and getting less.

Anyway I pre-ordered my copy.. Love ya!

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Sun May 05, 2002 7:35 pm

Here's what happened to every one my manuals.

I use it religiously for a day. For the next couple of weeks I will refer to it regularly. Then I'll find that it's been knocked to the floor and I'll pick it up after looking at it for a few days.

The next time I see it it will be back on the floor right where I just kicked over a coke or a cup of coffee. I'll dry it off and be irritated that it is no longer pristine.

I'll grab it the next time I need to kill the odd wasp that gets into my computer room. Weeks later I'll see it laying in an out of the way place and when I go to pick it up I'll notice that the cat has wherfed up on it and it gets thrown away.

So come to think of it if I don't get a manual how will I soak up spilled coke, kill wasps and where the heck is my cat gonna puke?

Help I'm being repressed!

Rob Roberson · Post by **Rob Roberson** » Sun May 05, 2002 11:16 pm

Laughing my *** off.

MalleusDei · Post by **MalleusDei** » Mon May 06, 2002 9:35 am

>Help I'm being repressed!

That's OPRESSED, not repressed.

Toro · Post by **Toro** » Mon May 06, 2002 8:34 pm

Lots of stances here on whether the manual should be included or not, so I thought I'd post my views and observations.

<SNIPE>
1) $44.95 -- seems to me that I paid this much for decent (and many not-so-decent) games over the last 2-3 years. Prices increase over time (economics of supply & demand, cost of goods, etc, etc), and while the games industry has not generally increased prices over the last years, something has to give. My opinion has been that what's been sacrificed has been quality (lots of godawful things out there these days), or sometimes the lack of manuals. Matrix isn't the first to do depart from providing manuals.

2) cost of manuals is delivered to the consumer. Sorry, that's the way of life. We pay for everything we get in the box. If there's more, the price is higher. If a manual was to be included here, we'd pay more than $44.95. The cost of the materials for a manual may be $2-3 (although, in low print runs, that may be a bit underestimated), but as others have noted, shipping costs increase with weight, layout design is added, box size, storage, etc, etc. It adds up.

3) manuals, in my history, serve me for about 1 week, and then I get the hang of things and the manual becomes a coffee mug coaster, dust gatherer, or generally something that I step on and get pissed at for being in the way.

4) frankly, I don't want the paper manual. And, that I don't have to pay for it is fine with me. Printing is cheap for those who want it, so do so. Please don't ask me to cover a partial of the cost for your manual (as I would have to if it were included in the box).

5) <BIGGEST SNIPE> this seems to be a (dare I say?) silly argument. Let's just deal with it, find another coffee mug coaster, and get our frustrations out against each other in the PBEM venue (I'll take on a pro-manual opponent first thing -- I say thumping my chest). This game, from all appearances (AARs, etc) is going to be the best thing to hit OUR market for a long time. I have a feeling it's going to make past ventures (PTO II, CAW, etc) look pretty durned juvenile. $44.95 is so incredibly cheap for my anticipated enjoyment (months and months, or until WitP comes out) that a manual didn't even enter into my decision considerations. </BIGGEST SNIPE>

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There's my opinion, for what it's worth. No offense intended to anyone of a different opinion.

Thanks for reading.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Mon May 06, 2002 9:08 pm

Originally posted by MalleusDei
>Help I'm being repressed!

That's OPRESSED, not repressed.

No I just checked and I'm definately being repressed. You have your problems and I have mine:D

IanLister · Post by **IanLister** » Mon May 06, 2002 11:16 pm

Toro....I TOTALLY agree with you about the manual. Let's just be completely satisfied that someone appears to have made a decent, proper, accurate, historical etc etc wargame...probably the first real one in many years. Manual? You'll be too busy playing to read it.

rosary · Post by **rosary** » Tue May 07, 2002 12:08 am

I would say that if you want a printed manual just print the pdf file. Then you have your printed manual!

VictorH · Post by **VictorH** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:35 am

Placed my order the other day.

Sonny · Post by **Sonny** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:32 pm

Originally posted by Mojo
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So come to think of it if I don't get a manual how will I soak up spilled coke, kill wasps and where the heck is my cat gonna puke?

Help I'm being repressed!

Use the game box or the shipping box for those household chores. Store your CD in a rack in its jewel case (if you ever take it out of your pc that is).

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Tue May 07, 2002 5:51 pm

Originally posted by Sonny

Use the game box or the shipping box for those household chores. Store your CD in a rack in its jewel case (if you ever take it out of your pc that is).

Thanks for the tip!;)

Uncommon Valor has Gone Gold

:)

To manual or not to manual...

Common Sense!!

Bought My Copy