Borders

[cbelva]

Is there some way to turn off borders during the game. There are some scenarios where it is nice to NOT know where the other guy is. Too often, you can see where the opposing force is at or heading because of the border on the map since it moves with his advance. If not, is there any way this feature to turn the borders off be added in a later patch. Thanks

[Vic]

hi cbelva,

The thing you should do is play with shrowd on. optionally shrowd on with shrowd peak on if you want to see territory but not the territorial expansion.

kind regards,
Vic

[Banquet]

Good thought! I suppose you could call it 'general recon' but it does rather give away rounghly where the enemy units are, even when you have nothing nearby.

Another one, maybe harder to solve, is the recon info you get from an artillery attack. I guess you could say it's spotters, but it's still an easy, no risk way to find out exactly what is in a hex.

Edit, Vic, I see the borders expanding even with shroud on (where the shroud isn't covering the area). I haven't tried shroud peak.

[Vic]

With shrowd on you only should see borders changing that you have recon on.

[Banquet]

Well in my case I had taken towns with my recon forces, but they had moved on and I had nothing in the area. Subsequently the AI sliced across that part of the map and I couldn't break through to send forces to defend the towns. However I could see the borders moving as they got closer and closer to taking the towns.

I guess you could say that as the towns were in my hands, they themselves were providing the recon info, but I could see the entire border moving, even well away from the town locations. There were certainly no actual forces anywhere near.

[Vic]

your own territory hexes gives you recon points on that hex and neighbouring hexes. so you can see the enemy advancing upon your terrain, but not on the AI advancing on neutral or other enemies territories.
 
kind regards,
Vic

[MrMox]

So even with shroud on, you can still see enemy advances into your territory, by the changing borders?

(I guess we are looking for something like the "No borders" option in TOAW III)

[Erik Rutins]

I think playing with both Shroud and Shroud Peak does that.

[Vic]

Nope. I assumed most scales will be such that a hex can at least be assumed to have a couple of militiamen or civil servants or farmers that run away and tell you that you actually lost one of your own hexes.

[MrMox]

So, basically in terms of intelligence available, the following holds true?

FoW > Shroud Peak > Shroud

I.e. FoW gives you more knowledge than Shroud Peak, and Shroud gives the least amount of knowledge?

And if more than one of there are specified in the settings before playing, is it the most or the least restrictive that takes effect?

[Awac835]

ORIGINAL: Vic

Nope. I assumed most scales will be such that a hex can at least be assumed to have a couple of militiamen or civil servants or farmers that run away and tell you that you actually lost one of your own hexes.

I think thats a good assumption [:)]

[Vic]

ORIGINAL: MrMox

So, basically in terms of intelligence available, the following holds true?

FoW > Shroud Peak > Shroud

I.e. FoW gives you more knowledge than Shroud Peak, and Shroud gives the least amount of knowledge?

And if more than one of there are specified in the settings before playing, is it the most or the least restrictive that takes effect?

basicly yes.