Release Date?

[SeaMonkey]

Steve is right guys..this is a waste, vanquish WW.
 
Anyone slightly coherent of reality can see from the elaborate finely focused progressive mechanism this adaptation is being exposed to that it will indeed see the light of day.
 
Just browse this forum for a few minutes there can be no doubt.
 
Unless.....and I banish the thought.....Steve, should lose his singing voice.

[macgregor]

Werewolf,while I understand his frustration, has gone too far. That being said, I'm another guy who has been shunned from this elitist group of playtesters and those whose vision of a solitaire WiF has been successfully elevated to top priority over a playable version of the game, thus classifying me as a negative influence on this forum (which for the sake of you all I avoid posting) While I'm glad I was able to connect Steve to MWiF(a task he was born to perform)I do not want any part of this community. There are games I enjoy now that will give MWiF a run for it's money. That is, when it's released. I've supported and will continue to support Steve through this monumental endeavor for his sake. But that's as far as it goes. My interest in this game has been exhausted.

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: macgregor
... I'm another guy who has been shunned from this elitist group of playtesters and those whose vision of a solitaire WiF has been successfully elevated to top priority over a playable version of the game, thus classifying me as a negative influence on this forum (which for the sake of you all I avoid posting) ...

Macgregor,
1. You were not shunned from the group of playtesters - given the high number of testers that applied and the amount of work that some of them put into their applications it was inevitable that someone who responded with only a few vague sentances would miss the cut. If you put some effort into your resume and contributed to the Forums now and again your chance of joining the Test Team would be as strong as anyone elses. For the record, the decision on Testers is a Team effort - I ask the rest of the Test Team who they think should be included and I only put in my thoughts further down the track.

2. "Solitaire Wif" (or more accurately, the ability to play a game with one or more of the positions taken by the AI) was included in the initial announcement of the game by Matrix and that facility has maintained its position as an essential requirement for the game. Any subsequent vision by individual playtesters either for, or against, having an AI has had no effect on the game specification. Perhaps worth considering that the AI in MWiF will be of benefit to groups of two, three, four or five players as well as to a solitaire player.

3. Your constructive input on MWiF is welcome now and in the future. However to people who prophesy Doom and Gloom and suggest that the game will never be released I ask "Well, what are you doing about helping it get released?". There's a team of over twenty people doing their bit and there's always room for more... but let's all try to pull in the same direction.

[macgregor]

Personally, I don't think I would make a good playtester. I'm not a programmer. I could find bugs. But probably not articulate them as well. The bottom line is that we all want the same thing; a computer version of WiF that upholds the quality of the board game. I think that's being done(in spades). Having played with CWiF extensively it was easy to become overanxious for a playable version. I'm over it. I don't think this anxiety over the release, perhaps manifesting itself in some cynicism, is best treated with such hostility. After all, we all love this game. Sometimes to suppress the anxiety we must suppress the enthusiasm as well.

[composer99]

Just to comment on Greyshaft's last line in his posting:
 

... but let's all try to pull in the same direction.

 
One of my favourite lines from the Terry Pratchett novels is this one from Lord Vetinari (of all people to say this, the tyrant of the city-state Ankh-Morpork):
 

"Pulling together is the aim of despots and tyrants. Free men pull in all different directions."

 
Which book that's from, I can't remember just now.
 
Anyway, I think what it means in this context is that we should have room on these forums for disagreement, even deep or bitter disagreement, about how this game is to be made. People should feel free to rock the boat and even try to push one another over the side.
 
What we don't need, and what we don't really have the time for, is guys like werwolf who, it seems, would rather have holes chopped in the bottom.

[Mziln]

Lord Havelock Vetinari

The supreme ruler of Ankh-Morpork (tyrant by choice for the good of the city). A keen beliver in the principal of one man, one vote; He is the Man, so he has the vote. Always in control of every situation he finds himself in.  Lord Vetinari's sense of leadership and stability keep the city up and running... and you better belive that this is at the forefrount of his mind at all times.  Prior to becomming supreme ruler of Ankh-Morpork Lord Vetinari was a member of the Assassins guild. One of his favorite sayings is: "I belive in giving everyone a choice". But when your choices are walking through a door into an oubliette or doing what he wants...

[mavraamides]

ORIGINAL: macgregor

There are games I enjoy now that will give MWiF a run for it's money.

IMHO, There is no game out there that comes close to giving MWiF a run for its money.

I mean, I could run down the list of competing WWII grand strategy games but I don't want to insult anyone else's efforts. I own a couple of 'competing' games and I can't bring myself to play them anymore because they all seem like toys in comparison. I'd rather play CWiF against myself and wait for MWiF than play any of the competing games that I am aware of.

[brian brian]

Tom Petty said it best.

[mlees]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

Tom Petty said it best.

"Bring on the dancing girls!"?

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: composer99

Just to comment on Greyshaft's last line in his posting:

... but let's all try to pull in the same direction.

One of my favourite lines from the Terry Pratchett novels is this one from Lord Vetinari (of all people to say this, the tyrant of the city-state Ankh-Morpork):

"Pulling together is the aim of despots and tyrants. Free men pull in all different directions."

Which book that's from, I can't remember just now.

Anyway, I think what it means in this context is that we should have room on these forums for disagreement, even deep or bitter disagreement, about how this game is to be made. People should feel free to rock the boat and even try to push one another over the side.

What we don't need, and what we don't really have the time for, is guys like werwolf who, it seems, would rather have holes chopped in the bottom.

Disagreement? Never! Whoops [:'(]

Cheers, Neilster

[Anendrue]

I learned a long time ago that people who rock the boat either care enough to get someone's attention or they just want to sink it. Everyone should be able to voice an opinion good, bad, or ugly. Just consider the source of information and give it the appropriate amount of attention it deserves or doesn't deserve.

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: brian brian
Tom Petty said it best.

Alright Brian. I get it. I can't change your opinion. For the record, no game compares directly to WiF. My statement about 'games that'll give WiF a run for it's money' was true, if albeit, inflammatory. A lot of what was posted, should not have been, for that I apologize.

[Cheesehead]

I'd rather play CWiF against myself and wait for MWiF than play any of the competing games that I am aware of.

Why there are still people grumbling about the long wait for MWiF (or playing solitaire) is beyond me. There are a bunch of us playing WiF on our computers every day using Vassal or Cyberboard. MWiF will supplant these close facsimilies when it becomes available, but in the meantime [Werewolf] stop complaining and log into: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/PetesCBWiFgame/ in order to find an opponent and get help with the free downloads of these game engines. You can play WiF against some very skilled opponents all over the world. I've played more than half a dozen excellent games in the past 18 months using Vassal. It is in many ways easier to play than the board game, and faster when you cut out the travel time. MWiF will be great when it comes out, but I'm having loads of fun playing WiF PBEM every day.

Cheers

John

[Klingon]

Werwolf:

1) the release date has always been 2008, and given the tasks remaining, that's still reasonable. So, no reason to think it will be delayed, unless you've got something more substantial, I respectfully suggest you let that one go; you're only going to get arguments, which this forum doesn't need. Bring something (new) to support your position, or let it go. By pursuing this without providing support for your position, you are coming across as a troll (one who posts things merely to be inflammatory and start arguments, not to discuss things of substance).

2) What made you think this is a democracy? Even the US Gov't isn't a democracy, it's a representative republic (elected representatives make the decisions; in a democracy, matters of national import would be directly voted upon by the people. Previously impractical due to the population size; perhaps technology has remedied this, but this was never what the US Gov't was intended to be.)

[brian brian]

ORIGINAL: macgregor

ORIGINAL: brian brian
Tom Petty said it best.

Alright Brian. I get it. I can't change your opinion. For the record, no game compares directly to WiF. My statement about 'games that'll give WiF a run for it's money' was true, if albeit, inflammatory. A lot of what was posted, should not have been, for that I apologize.

oh, I didn't see your response, but my comment was just a general one, I prolly skipped over most of this thread ... I was referring to the song "The Waiting" ('is the hardest part', it goes) that I think was referenced here a while back. You are dead on right, there is no game that compares. I didn't read your original though.