FITE Fungwu vs Karri

[desert]

There were plenty of churches and Christians there. It's just, a lot of them were old women.

[Fungwu]

"There were plenty of churches and Christians there. It's just, a lot of them were old women."




Well then, if you pitted a horde of slavering, half man, half animal Bulgarians, vs a bunch of old Russian women, then it would be no contest.

[desert]

You forget that sacred litanies have 250 AP and 70 DF, right? A bunch of slavering, half man, half animal Bulgarians with spearthrowers and copper swords would be no match for that, no?

[Fungwu]

I don't even know what sacred litanies are, but I am sure the commies don't have any.

[desert]

Well, your releasing the Bulgarian savages gives karri a unit that can make faith attacks up to 5 megatons. A region up to 3 times the blast area will then be contaminated with faith until the end of the scenario.

[Bloke]

I don't even know what sacred litanies are, but I am sure the commies don't have any.

Yes they do. Have you forgotten the one that goes ' I must send bloke my DNO turn20, I must send bloke my DNO turn20, I must send...'?[:D]

[desert]

Lol, 2 FiTE matches and Deep Battle? How much free time could you possibly have?

[Fungwu]

The wonders of unemployment....

[desert]

So you spend every waking moment playing TOAW? Surely you have other games...

A book, perhaps.

[Fungwu]

Well not every waking moment, but my graphics card broke so I cannot play any other games.

[desert]

Any consoles?

[Fungwu]

Nope

[SMK-at-work]

ORIGINAL: Fungwu

"note that there's a fault in ver 7 on T40 and 41 - Buzz set Axis shock to 75 for those turns instead of 100 (I think), so we're doign a voluntary cease fire in our game. "

Yeah, I looked it up in the event editor, Germans get nasty shock from turn  32 till 42. Soviet shock goes to 115 I think on 39, so I will have to beg Karri not to crush me with his +40 shock.

German shock is supposed to go down to represent the mud (ie to reinforce the effects of teh mud!) - I don't think hte soviet shock is supposed to go up tho, and I think the German shock is supposed to go back to 100 on T40

[desert]

Lol, what about minesweeper?

[Fungwu]

"German shock is supposed to go down to represent the mud (ie to reinforce the effects of teh mud!) - I don't think hte soviet shock is supposed to go up tho, and I think the German shock is supposed to go back to 100 on T40"

Yeah, I figured when I saw it that it was a mistake, Karri already agreed to have a ceasefire when his shock comes back.

[Zort]

Sorry I missed the error of the German shock in the events. On turn 40 I set the Soviet shock to increase after mud to 98 and the mistake had them also going up to 115. It looks like that the later event of 98 took effect, I had two 'shock 1', soviet, events set to happen on the same turn. So it appears that the later one of 98 took effect, SMK will have to verify that. It is now corrected.

It's nice to see how the game can be played. SMK and I are playing the same scenario, of course I didn't, as the German mass like Fungwu did and do have lost lots more hvy rifle squads then he has.

I would like to know if the German supply decrease and shorting of supply length has effected your play at all Fungwu. This is before the shock goes down. I tried to reduce the German supply so to effect the German advance.

I am wondering if putting the Soviet shock back to what the original version had would be better. IE soviet shock at 100 starting on turn 3, but leaving it that way thru 1942 vice increasing as the original does. SMK would have to chime in since he is playing another game against another oppenant and might have a recommendation.

+++ It would really be nice to be able to edit the game on the fly, especially the larger scenarios (beating that drum again)+++

[Karri]

We're on the mud turns and Axis can't really make any attacks. Soviets however can, I suppose this should be changed, decrease the soviet shock to same level as Axis(weren't they something like 75 to 85 now?).

Also I think the biggest change in the mod is rail capacity. It really makes it much harder for Soviets to survive. In the original version the capacity goes to 12 000 on turn 6(althought briefing says 11 000 on turn 6 and 12 000 on turn 12). Now the Soviets have 6000 on turn 6, which in total means 36 000 'loss' of transport capacity for turns 6-11. The average Soviet rifle divisions weights something like 650, so that makes about 55 divisions less on the frontlines.  Quite an amount. I suggest instead of 6000 increase it to 8000. Equal to Axis.

[Fungwu]

Im not a Fite expert, so I can't say whether this is a change with the mod or just normal FITE, but the soviets have near air supierority around turn 20-25

Axis gets a measley 18 Me109s a turn while soviets get a huge number of fighters of all classes. I don't know if I screwed up and didn't destroy enough of Karri's planes, but soviet airforce seems too strong.

[SMK-at-work]

They might not get amany, and the Air Superiority figures might be heavily pro-soviet, but hte Germans still shoot down 2-3 times their losses.
 
In reality the Sov's always outnumbered the LW from about Dec 41 onwards, but were not as well organised.  it was only towards the end of 1942 that they started actually making good use of their numbers with better tactics and direction, and by mid 1943 the LW was all but swept from the russian skies - it could manage to hold AS over limited sectors for lmiited times, and still inflicted heavy casualties....but it was a losing battle without much actual impact on the war.

[Fungwu]

Maybe germans could get better air shock for the periods they historically held air superiority.