Another question - campaigns

[ab5000]

I think I'm ready to start doing campaigns, and I was going to start in the East Front module. But one thing I noticed is that these are only Soviet/German campaigns. Has anyone out there created different campaigns for download? Like a Winter War or Romanian Iron Guard pre Uranus or Hungarian in 44/45?

[Jason Petho]

Not that I recall.

There are additional campaigns available here:

http://redarrowproductions.com/EScen.htm

Jason Petho

[Conny D]

This site (German language) has some Linked campaigns also one as Romanian Army Player

http://www.feldzugschmiede.com/

[Dumnorix]

This site (German language) has some Linked campaigns also one as Romanian Army Player

http://www.feldzugschmiede.com/

These scenarios are however fictitious and not historical. The maps are very bad and the Soviet units are wrong.

H.Balck

[Conny D]

Absolutely right. All units are wrong not only the Soviets. I thought wow cool a Stalingrad LCG and then its just crap, not the slightest recreation of history, everything generic

[Conny D]

But then, if anyone likes it nonetheless, who doesnt care a bit about historical accuracy, it might be fun i dunno to me their stuff is crap [:D]

[Udet]

The linked campaigns at feldzugschmiede.com don't create history very well, that's right, but they are a lot of fun to play. I have played many of them and always enjoyed them. That is because I play wargames for fun not for painstakingly recreating history.[:D]

I have great respect for the guys over at the Feldzugschmiede who are creating a lot of new stuff and by doing so are helping to keep the Campaign Series alive. On the other hand I have little respect for a guy always popping up for spoiling the work done by others - especially when this same guy is anouncing great historically accurate super-duper-mods which in my humble opinion will never be finished.[:-]

Udet

[1925frank]

Thank you, Udet.  I found your post to be helpful.

[Conny D]

You mean Balcks project then?

Okay Feldzugschmiede are helping keep CS alive but in no respect their scenarios can be compared to standards of Tom Herrschafts or Chris Wilsons campaigns. The CS value IMO lies exactly in the chance of recreating historical settings. If i want science fiction i would play fantasy games

[Dumnorix]

Hallo Conny D
Now property, but the work of Tom Herrschafts and Chris Wilsons is not error free, naturally substantially more exact also than the "Fantasy" Scenarios of the Feldzugschmiede.
This required alone the History of WWII in respect of all soldiers from all nations lost the live.

H.Balck

[Udet]

@ Conny D:

The Feldzuschmiede campaigns and scenarios maybe in great parts fiction, but not science fiction. You can compare it to the average war movie which often has not much in common with history, but despite of this is great fun to watch. If you play fantasy games you will never get science fiction, you will get fantasy. If not, that would really be science fiction.[;)]

The value of the campaign series lies IMO in having fun and in the possibility to have both, historically accurate and fictious scenarios. By the way, has anyone tried to compare the Feldzugschmiede stuff to the campaings created by Herrschaft and Wilson? I don't think so and I would not recommend to do so. Yes, if I want a lesson in history I play a campaign by Herrschaft or Wilson, but if it is just for a little WW2 fun the Feldzugschmiede campaigns are very welcome to me.

Udet

[1925frank]

When I want to learn about history, I buy a book written by someone knowledgeable about that subject.  I don't buy a game.  For all I know, perhaps Dumnorix has written books on various aspects of WWII.  Dumnorix seems qualified.
 
Campaign Series is a game.  Campaign Series has sparked my interest in various WWII subjects.  I have never relied on this game or any other game to provide me totally accurate historical information. 
 
Like Udet, I can appreciate a historically accurate scenario, and I can appreciate a historical inaccurate scenario that is fun.  I would be a little upset if someone tried to pass off a scenario as historically accurate that was actually fictional.  I understand that even in scenarios that are supposedly historically accurate, people might disagree on various matters, such as maps, OOBs, and relative strength of units, but I would not attribute those disputes to incompetence or a deliberate desire to mislead.  I get the impression some people attribute discrepancies to incompetence or worse.  That seems a bit harsh. 
 
I disagree that historically inaccurate scenarios are disrespectful to those persons who suffered and died during the war. 
 
I disagree that historically accurate scenarios honor those persons who suffered and died during the war. 
 
Campaign Series is a game.  The purpose of games is to entertain.  A good game may also teach.  Campaign Series can teach, but that's not its primary purpose.
 
 

[Legionaer]

Gentlemen,

i read here with interest and sometimes i´m not sure if i should cry or laugh!

The reason are the comments from his majesty self, better known as the "god-creator"!

I translated some elements for the Feldzugschmiede and know the guys. They made and make a very good Job with their works. Take a look to the well made Website. The grafik files are very good, maybe one of the best - some of them you will find in Dumnorix/H. Balck´s works!

The scenarios and campaigns of their Zusatz-CD´s are maybe historical or not ... but what is the problem, what is YOUR problem? They give a lot of fun and they are PLAY ABLE (especially for you H. Balck), the CD´s are in use until today! What was the result of your first project? I remember you sent CD´s against money and the game wasn´t play able.

sztartur wrotes in an other thread that a lot of the bmp unit pics in H. Balck´s Mod are "lent" from other PGII(I) Mods. Very well made.

I also use bmp units from other developers in my Post War Project, but i have not the intention to earn money with it. I do it for fun.

An other confusing fact: By Matrix your birthday is 2/17/1952, and whow ... by the Feldzugschmiede i read: Geburtstag: 30.11.1971!

Mr. Balck,

i followed your works, very well made. But in every version i found errors (you remember about the missing files?, the DEMO crashed more than once).

If you need help ... there are so many guys in the community that would help as play testers. Use their knowledge and stop your attacks on other member, developer, designer, ... and on the guys from theBlitz.org or Matrix. They are, ... we are not professionals and do it because we love (ok, we like [:D]) the CS games. You should be proud that you have the chance for realising "your" project here.

The whole development of this thread here is very funny. A new member with the same rarely translated word (nonetheless) write about the Feldzugschmiede ... and what for a surprise. You told us again how bad the FSZ (but not the bmp files, remember they are a part in your works!) is. Very funny!

You will be a teacher??? Sorry, but there is nothing from your side that let us show this!
Now i will let me surprise about the following ... [8D].

Best Regards,
Stefan

[sorrowman]

It's a bloody game for fu*ks sake. Nobody lives or dies when one scenario or campaign isn't a painstakingly accurate recreation of what happened back in the day....and guess what...that's OK....it's a G-A-M-E we play for F-U-N!!!!

Some find it fun to create and play 100% (if at all possible) accurate scenario's and campaigns. Others are perfectly happy with playing scenario's that are no actualy recreation of what happened. Whatever it is that you prefer, let me try to put it in perspective. Let's all just be gratefull that Matrix Games and a seemingly small but dedicated modding community take time and effort to keep this series alive in the first place and are even making efforts to take it to the next level through further developing the game.

All I'm trying to say is that whoever is involved in keeping the series alive and even try to further develope it (either down the historically accurate path or the less-historically accurate path) should be given respect and credit for doing what they do. Oh, to use parts of a 3rd parties work in ones own project and dismiss the rest as crap...that's pretty harsh IMHO. You make your much appreciated contributions to this series and Feldzug Schmiede do what they feel is best to keeping the series going for a long time to come hopefully.

[Dumnorix]

To legionär

sztartur wrotes in an other thread that a lot of the bmp unit pics in H. Balck´s Mod are "lent" from other PGII(I) Mods. Very well made.

All the unit-pictures was produce together from PAT and me. PAT consented, which I may use his work !
Over 350 units-bmp are however from me!!! sztartur is a member in my team.

and what for a surprise. You told us again how bad the FSZ (but not the bmp files, remember they are a part in your works!) is. Very funny!

The originals menu diagram are of me, Geraldino them only with Eagles processed. I can prove that on the basis pixel comparisons.The fundamental work comes thus from me! the product of Eagles is not used however in my final version. Where is the problem?

I also use bmp units from other developers in my Post War Project, but i have not the intention to earn money with it. I do it for fun.

For thirdclass work I would pay also nothing! (MÜLL !!!)

An other confusing fact: By Matrix your birthday is 2/17/1952, and whow ... by the Feldzugschmiede i read: Geburtstag: 30.11.1971!

30.11.1971 is correct - thanks !

i followed your works, very well made. But in every version i found errors (you remember about the missing files?, the DEMO crashed more than once).

Even debt: if one the installation does not obey correctly !

If you need help ... there are so many guys in the community that would help as play testers. Use their knowledge and stop your attacks on other member, developer, designer, ... and on the guys from theBlitz.org or Matrix. They are, ... we are not professionals and do it because we love (ok, we like ) the CS games. You should be proud that you have the chance for realising "your" project here.

My team is already complete - I do not need amateurs.

You will be a teacher??? Sorry, but there is nothing from your side that let us show this!
Now i will let me surprise about the following ...

I am by the way an archaeologist and teacher and work however in both occupations. Enviously ?

[font="Verdana"]* You were weighed, you were measured and you found for not well enough. *
*Du wurdest gewogen, Du wurdest gemessen und Du wurdest für nicht gut genug befunden.*[/font]

H.Balck

[Jason Petho]

A few life lessons:

1. Respect is earned, not demanded.

2. Two people can look at the same thing and see something different.

3. One controls their attitude, or it controls them.

4. Enjoyment is personal.

5. An ounce of assistance outweighs a tonne of whining.

Jason Petho

[Arctic Blast]

Uh...wow. This thread is like that car accident you just can't help but at least glance at as you drive by. The one thought that keeps popping in to my head here is...WHO CARES?! Play what you enjoy! If you like historical accuracy, good for you, go and find some of the many scenarios available out there to play. If you don't mind some inaccuracies or some fiction so long as you enjoy the scenario, good for you, there's plenty of options out there for you as well. As sorrowman put it, it is A GAME. You know, one of those things you play for ENTERTAINMENT. So find whatever part of it entertains you, and enjoy it.

One other little thing I do feel I have to add, though. Dumnorix...undoubtedly you are a very gifted modder for the game, and your project looks very interesting. However, how you seem to feel this gives you the right to talk down to everyone else like you are some sort of superior being is simply beyond me. Real simple...you are no better than everyone else. I think if you toned down the arrogance a little, people would probably respond to you in a much more conciliatory manner.

[Legionaer]

Aha,

that´s indeed the reaction it was to expect. [:D]

The originals menu diagram are of me, Geraldino them only with Eagles processed. I can prove that on the basis pixel comparisons.The fundamental work comes thus from me!

If you believe it ...

For thirdclass work I would pay also nothing! (MÜLL !!!)

Oh, what kind words. In your last FZS forum post you wrote ... Wir können uns ja ein wenig ggenseitig beraten. (for our english friends: we could consult us a little bit)

Shows your true face.

And the best of all, he saw only the posted Screens, nothing more! But he is the god-creator [&o] and so ...

30.11.1971 is correct - thanks !

If you don´t know it ...

Even debt: if one the installation does not obey correctly !

Man, i do it! Don´t rotate the facts! You sent in two updates the missed units!

My team is already complete - I do not need amateurs.

You understand nothing. And by the way ... do you think you´re a professional?

I am by the way an archaeologist and teacher and work however in both occupations. Enviously ?

And again he understood nothing. Do you understand the sentences? I doubt.

* You were weighed, you were measured and you found for not well enough. *
*Du wurdest gewogen, Du wurdest gemessen und Du wurdest für nicht gut genug befunden.*

Da spricht genau der richtige.

Stefan

[Warhorse]

Now, now boys...play nice!![:D]

Mike

[MartNick]

This may be a strange question but ... if this mod is not going to be integrated into the main CS game then why is it constantly discussed in this forum? Shouldn't it at least have a seperate forum, or be on a seperate website? It is distracting things away from improving the official game is it not?

When I first read about it I thought it was an upgrade to the official game and nearly downloaded it. Which I would have then been a bit pissed about as there are obviously issues with it.

And as with others the high and mighty attitude is getting a little boring. I'm not sure about the 'God-creator' bit either.