Best fighter in WW2???

[LargeSlowTarget]

Regardless of what the stats and graphics say - Me-109 and P-47 in whatever the variant are ugly - so why care? [;)] 

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

id say an allied plane, especially to panzerjaeger......

because if german or japanese ones were that good, we'd all be speaking german or japanese

and we're not! [:D]

that´s the same as saying the Sherman WOULD be better than the Panther. For me, UNDOUBTABLE the Panther is the better tank but that doesn´t help you if you face 15 Shermans... No, no, plz don´t start a discussion about tanks now...[;)]

what I want to say is that it only matters to a certain point how much better your plane, tank, ... is. Whenever you face too many of your enemies (which are "slightly" inferior to your equipment) you have a problem. And from 43 on there is only a slight performance difference of the fighters above Europe, not really decades between the opponents facing each other.

So in fact - IMO - the reason people aren´t speaking German is more a fact of the industrial output of Germany´s enemies, not the fact the Allied had better equipment. Put 50.000 Panthers against 50.000 Shermans (and all the other stuff that is needed, like fuel, spare parts, etc. etc. - which Germany didn´t have of course) on the battlefield and let´s see who wins...

Put 10.000 FW190 against 10.000 P47 into the air and watch... Yamato vs. Iowa... blah blah blah [;)]


It´s a nice discussion here though!

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: castor troy

that´s the same as saying the Sherman WOULD be better than the Panther. For me, UNDOUBTABLE the Panther is the better tank but that doesn´t help you if you face 15 Shermans... No, no, plz don´t start a discussion about tanks now...[;)]

OK... no tanks... I respect that... but can we introduce Bismarck into this thread? [8D]


Leo "Apollo11"

[ChezDaJez]

I don't know squat about German aircraft so I think I'll just kick the feet up and watch this time!

Chez

[ChezDaJez]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: castor troy

that´s the same as saying the Sherman WOULD be better than the Panther. For me, UNDOUBTABLE the Panther is the better tank but that doesn´t help you if you face 15 Shermans... No, no, plz don´t start a discussion about tanks now...[;)]

OK... no tanks... I respect that... but can we introduce Bismarck into this thread? [8D]


Leo "Apollo11"

OK.... the Bismarck would have blown away the KGV hands down with two turrets tied behind her keel if those other Brit ships hadn't ganged up on her!

[:'(]

Chez

[m10bob]

Obviously the "best fighter" would be dependent on the mission, time period, time in use, many variables.
One might easily say the Me 262, the P 51, P 38, A6m(series), Hawker Tempest(one of my favourites), gosh knows what else.
Even the Pzl.11 was good for its' day, or the Gladiator, C.R.42, etc..

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: castor troy

that´s the same as saying the Sherman WOULD be better than the Panther. For me, UNDOUBTABLE the Panther is the better tank but that doesn´t help you if you face 15 Shermans... No, no, plz don´t start a discussion about tanks now...[;)]

OK... no tanks... I respect that... but can we introduce Bismarck into this thread? [8D]


Leo "Apollo11"

I knew I forgot something to mention! [:D]

[LargeSlowTarget]

SCUTTLED! [:D]

[mdiehl]

Sunk by a critical 3" hit delivered by USCGC Modoc.[;)]

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: Feltan

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

id say an allied plane, especially to panzerjaeger......

because if german or japanese ones were that good, we'd all be speaking german or japanese

and we're not! [:D]

Very true. That is because the argument about the best airframe is pointless in the absence of discussing other equally important aspects such as organization, numbers, mainenance, training, logistics, etc.

In other forums, I've seen passionate people almost come to blows over which tank is best, or which rifle is tops. When viewed in isolation, such arguments are almost humorous to observe. In isolation, you might just as well be arguing over which flavor of ice cream is best.

Regards,
Feltan

Which any rationale human being realizes is chocolate fudge.

[Rainer]

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005
Which any rationale human being realizes is chocolate fudge.

REDICULOUS! It's vanilla (with Hot Fudge on it!)

[DuckofTindalos]

Mmmmm, fuuuuudge...[:D]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

Might be..., if he'd used any. Again he's comparing a 1492 P-47c with a 1944 Bf-109K---and as I said before, you could get exactly the opposite results by comparing a 1940 Bf-109E with a 1942 P-47C. When he starts comparing apples with apples (or September 1944 models with Sept 1944 models), then he might be worth listening to...

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

Might be..., if he'd used any. Again he's comparing a 1492 P-47c with a 1944 Bf-109K---and as I said before, you could get exactly the opposite results by comparing a 1940 Bf-109E with a 1942 P-47C. When he starts comparing apples with apples (or September 1944 models with Sept 1944 models), then he might be worth listening to...

what´s wrong with comparing September 1944 models with September 1944 modells???? [:D]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: castor troy
what´s wrong with comparing September 1944 models with September 1944 models???? [:D]

Absolutely nothing..., which is why I wish he would do it....

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005
Which any rationale human being realizes is chocolate fudge.

REDICULOUS! It's vanilla (with Hot Fudge on it!)

vanilla??? Clearly you're a communist. [:'(]

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

Might be..., if he'd used any. Again he's comparing a 1492 P-47c with a 1944 Bf-109K---and as I said before, you could get exactly the opposite results by comparing a 1940 Bf-109E with a 1942 P-47C. When he starts comparing apples with apples (or September 1944 models with Sept 1944 models), then he might be worth listening to...

what´s wrong with comparing September 1944 models with September 1944 modells???? [:D]

I've been wondering how long it would take for someone to suggest this...could it be that from a performance standpoint you won't find much difference. Which is why I'd take the Jug, given similar performance I'll take the big AC with lots of armor.[;)]

[Howard Mitchell]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

Might be..., if he'd used any. Again he's comparing a 1492 P-47c with a 1944 Bf-109K---and as I said before, you could get exactly the opposite results by comparing a 1940 Bf-109E with a 1942 P-47C. When he starts comparing apples with apples (or September 1944 models with Sept 1944 models), then he might be worth listening to...

Given that a 1492 P-47C would be made of wood, armed with muskets and muzzle-loading cannon, and under full sail make about a dozen knots I'm not surprised that a Bf-109K would out-perform it! [:D]

[String]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Rainer

Beating mdiehl with FACTS is not fair.
I wonder if you silenced him [;)]

Might be..., if he'd used any. Again he's comparing a 1492 P-47c with a 1944 Bf-109K---and as I said before, you could get exactly the opposite results by comparing a 1940 Bf-109E with a 1942 P-47C. When he starts comparing apples with apples (or September 1944 models with Sept 1944 models), then he might be worth listening to...

Well mdiehl did say:

quote:

ORIGINAL: mdiehl
Allied high altitude stalwarts like the P-47 and P-51 were vastly superior to the ME-109 (you can pick any variant you want). The best of the German interceptors were all based on the FW-190 design