Letters from Iwo Jima

[Sarge]

Funny thing is ,

PZJ Hortlund statements on this thread are a prime example why American military and my tax dollars after 60+ years are still funding Europe’s defense.

[morvwilson]

I would like to hear what nasty things that PZJ Hortlund thinks Americans did in the P.I. It is something I would like my Philipino wife to read! So please conselor PZJ elaborate.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

I really get a kick out of watching you go on about “Individual blah-blah BS , but once America enters into your
delusional debate you immediately take up the position of a “Collective un-educated racist Americans .

Actually, this only reinforces the lingering suspicion Ive had that you dont know what a stereotype is. It would have been a stereotype if I had said "all americans are stupid" or "all americans are uneducated" based on those few examples.

Still, it is hard to resist making smirk comments when one reads reports like this where 51% cant find New York on a US map, 33% cant find the pacific ocean on a world map, 11% cant find the US on a world map (sorry, must have confused New York and US numbers). I mean, a study that shows that one third of the US students doesnt know that you need to go south to get from Japan to Australia could possibly be used to base all sorts of stereotypes on. But I havent done that...

And the only racist Ive come across so far is doggie.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

"Panzerjaeger" :
First, "my case" is that racism is wrong, stereotyping is the tool of the stupid, and guilt is individual not collective. You have not even begun arguing "my case", instead you have been trying to deflect the discussion into Swedish behavior in ww2, what is a concentration camp, and generally call me names

Excuse me? I think I missed those points while you were rambling on about American internment camps, the Indian wars, My Lai, your law school, how the Swedes were superior to everyone else, and what ignorant, arrogant racist liars the Americans who fought the Japanese were.

Yes, apparently you did miss those points, because when I held up My Lai as an example on how stereotyping an entire nation from one action will lead to all sorts of weird conclusions, you completely missed that point, and instead you went on some tirade about Swedish neutrality.

I have never ever claimed that Swedes were superior to anyone, that is just your strawman-argument. I also havent accused anyone but you of racism, and when I accuse you of racism, it is because you have said several times that all japanese were stinking savages who deserved to be strafed in lifeboats, shot as POWs or firebombed in their homes.

blah blah.. You know the difference between a whore and an attorney, "Panzerjaeger"? There's some things a whore won't do for money.

Well, you would know, wouldnt you?

[PunkReaper]

Funny thing is ,

PZJ Hortlund statements on this thread are a prime example why American military and my tax dollars after 60+ years are still funding Europe’s defense.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH....from everyone over here.

[06 Maestro]

PZJ Hortlund

It is clear that you don’t like Doggy; I would venture a guess that you two have met before. But that is not what this thread is about. This thread is about your attacks on, and/or slanderous comparisons of the U.S, be it in 1850, 1945, or 2006.

Because of your unending, venomous attacks on America, I can’t help but to wonder if you are longing to do a little “strafing”, yourself. Maybe you are too highly evolved to desire such a thing, but I wonder.

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Punk Reaper

Funny thing is ,

PZJ Hortlund statements on this thread are a prime example why American military and my tax dollars after 60+ years are still funding Europe’s defense.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH....from everyone over here.

Well, the single prominent thing PZJ accomplished with his comments is verifying its money well spent [;)]







PS: it’s a two-way street , thanks for your Nations efforts with the war

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
But you are a racist doggie

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
the only racist Ive come across so far is doggie

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
bigoted and racist views put forth by doggie and others

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
I call you racist is because you have posted racist opinions

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
he is a racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
That is racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Without exception. That is racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
I dont know if you ever tried to pretend not to be a racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
racist stereotyping is not really that productive.

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
It is very very rare to see an intelligent man who also is a racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
a racist one at that

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
barging in parading horribly racist stereotypes

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
when questioned on those racist stereotypes

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
I call you racist is because you have posted racist opinions

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
that is merely a racist stereotype

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
again your racist views shine through

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
your relatives and aquaintances are racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
a confirmed racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
guilt need not be dependent on racist stereotyping

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Whatever. If you fail to see the racist stereotyping

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
Here mdiehl. Racist remarks bolded

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
clearly he is a racist

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
some racist stereotypes, hateful outbursts

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
bigoted and racist views

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
from your racist views

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
your racist views on the Japanese

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
I would call it a racist

What’s it they say about people that are constantly accusing ?

[Goblin]

[:D]

[Doggie]

Looks like the ignorant Americans are eating your lunch, Mister highly educated law school graduate. [8D]

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

PZJ Hortlund

It is clear that you don’t like Doggy; I would venture a guess that you two have met before. But that is not what this thread is about. This thread is about your attacks on, and/or slanderous comparisons of the U.S, be it in 1850, 1945, or 2006.

LOL, no. This thread is about how racism is wrong, stereotyping is a tool of the stupid, and that guilt is always individual, never collective.

This is quite simple really. Did My Lai happen? Judging from the venomous outrage displayed by certain posters when the topic was brought up one wonders if this is disputed or if you (reluctantly, and with much attempt to sidetrack the subject to something else) agree that the massacre did indeed take place.

If we agree that it did happen, then my question becomes "what would happen if we would stereotype the entire US army based on this one incident?". I use this as an example to show why stereotyping is indeed stupid. It will lead to all sorts of weird conclusions, see.

Now, if you read the above a couple of times, then maybe...maybe you'll see that the discussion really isnt focused on any attack on your precious nation, but instead it is about racism, stereotyping and guilt.

Because of your unending, venomous attacks on America, I can’t help but to wonder if you are longing to do a little “strafing”, yourself. Maybe you are too highly evolved to desire such a thing, but I wonder.

LOL yeah...anyone who ever dares to point out that the US track record isnt exactly spotless must be a terrorist.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Sarge
What’s it they say about people that are constantly accusing ?

Looks like you guys have all but run out of arguments. Whats next, heading over to the steakhouse to regroup? Perhaps try another way to deflect the subject to something irrelevant?

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Looks like the ignorant Americans are eating your lunch, Mister highly educated law school graduate. [8D]

Another quality argument. It seems you have given up even trying to argue, and are now stuck in some pointless "I must get the last word"-anxiety. Im beginning to understand why you guys hang out in the steakhouse instead of here, you might actually run into intelligent or educated people over here...and there where would you be? Oo, I know the answer to that one, we can see it in this thread. Start out with the racist hyperbole, when called on it, deflect the subject, throw some random ad homs around and then retreat back to the steakhouse where you congratulate yourself for being hardcore?

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Looks like you guys have all but run out of arguments. Whats next, heading over to the steakhouse to regroup? Perhaps try another way to deflect the subject to something irrelevant?

As in your compulsive deflect disorder ?
No thanks, your “racist” quotes above are telling enough.

Maybe if the MC morons had a beer for every time you said “Racists you would been playing on a even field, but as it stands your pegged [:'(]

We’ll call it the :

PZJ's Compulsive Racist Deflect Disorder Drinking Game

[Hortlund]

I think you should call it "GW1 was not combat" instead.


Edit: No, wait..."Sarge's Swedish army barracks-game"

[Foxtrot Uniform]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Looks like the ignorant Americans are eating your lunch, Mister highly educated law school graduate. [8D]

Another quality argument. It seems you have given up even trying to argue, and are now stuck in some pointless "I must get the last word"-anxiety. Im beginning to understand why you guys hang out in the steakhouse instead of here, you might actually run into intelligent or educated people over here...and there where would you be? Oo, I know the answer to that one, we can see it in this thread. Start out with the racist hyperbole, when called on it, deflect the subject, throw some random ad homs around and then retreat back to the steakhouse where you congratulate yourself for being hardcore?

You know, all things aside, I wonder when mjk and Sarge were in fact engaged in a homosexual orgy in a Swedish Army barracks, and why Doggie knows about it?

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Looks like you guys have all but run out of arguments. Whats next, heading over to the steakhouse to regroup? Perhaps try another way to deflect the subject to something irrelevant?

As in your compulsive deflect disorder ?
No thanks, your “racist” quotes above are telling enough.

Maybe if the MC morons had a beer for every time you said “Racists you would been playing on a even field, but as it stands your pegged [:'(]

We’ll call it the :

PZJ's Compulsive Racist Deflect Disorder Drinking Game

I see you went with option b btw...you're getting predictable.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

LOL, no. This thread is about how racism is wrong, stereotyping is a tool of the stupid, and that guilt is always individual, never collective.

You are 1/3 correct. Unfortunately, that means you are 2/3rds wrong. 33% is a failing grade most anywhere-you fail. It is too bad that after all of this you still can't admit that guilt can be collective. If your mind is closed, you will never grow.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

You are 1/3 correct. Unfortunately, that means you are 2/3rds wrong. 33% is a failing grade most anywhere-you fail. It is too bad that after all of this you still can't admit that guilt can be collective. If your mind is closed, you will never grow.

Guilt cannot be collective, at least not in the western legal tradition, or according to Christian morals. Now maybe collective guilt works fine in some Sharia-system or in some redneck trailer-park, but I hold myself to higher standards than that.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

You are 1/3 correct. Unfortunately, that means you are 2/3rds wrong. 33% is a failing grade most anywhere-you fail. It is too bad that after all of this you still can't admit that guilt can be collective. If your mind is closed, you will never grow.

Guilt cannot be collective, at least not in the western legal tradition, or according to Christian morals. Now maybe collective guilt works fine in some Sharia-system or in some redneck trailer-park, but I hold myself to higher standards than that.

Methinks I have identified the mental block keeping you from grasping the concept of collective guilt.......you need to remove the "western legal tradition" hat and try to understand the world in non-legal terms. You couldn't possibly be more wrong regarding Christian morals. According to the Judeo-Christian myth "we" all carry the collective guilt of Adam and Eve.

...and the "red neck trailer park' comment couldn't possibly be more revealing in casting a light on your prejudice and stereotyping.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Here is a steroetype you seem to fit to a tee......overeducated, liberal European pompous a$$ looking down the end of your nose at we barbarous Americans.

Guilt CAN be collective. "Guilt" is a human emotion, NOT a legal status. Try thinking in terms of human emotions and NOT in terms of legalities and you might just have a chance of grasping a clue!