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RE: The War Grinds on

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ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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RE: The War Grinds on

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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RE: The War Grinds on

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Greetings to everyone and especially to PzB, of course.
 
After about 5 weeks of reading, I have finally managed to catch up with this AAR (even though I have to admit that I only skimmed over the various air combat reports on the last 50 or so pages)
Beeing new here (1st post) I´m not sure if this is my place to say this, but while going through the AAR I couldn´t help but getting suspicious about the way this game is programmed.
Especially Japans inability to launch coordinated airstrikes from several bases, and airgroups failing to launch or launching only partial strikes while allies manage to get coordinated strikes where LBA and carriers combine to a single strike (not to mentions weather so bad over japanese bases, planes can´t launch, but allied bombers finding their target in said weather without problem)
I also remember PzBs problems in taking down forts in the India campaign while now I see allied ground forces reducing forts by 2 to 5 levels in a single attack?
Or look at the surface combat between a japanese cruiser squadron (1CA, 1 or 2 CL and several DDs, IIRC) and 3, *three* allied DDs. Sure, the allies have better radar and stuff, but c´mon, gimme a break!
 
I smell something fishy here!
 
Now, don´t get me wrong, I know that the Allies are supposed to win this war. But the stakes are allready in their favor with all the hardware they get from 43 on. And yes, carrier operations got a lot more efficient in the allied TFs after, perhaps mid-43, so coordinated strikes should be possible after that time.
I strongly doubt, however, that the japanese forgot all they had mastered at the start of the war (Coordinated multi carrier strikes, LBA Naval campaigns,...). Just because KB was lost at Midway in RL, doesn´t mean the organisation in itself was shot to hell (I have recently finished reading shattered sword and apparently, very little of the flying personnel was actually lost at midway). Without the KB, there wasn´t a large carrier fleet to launch big strikes from, but if Japan would have had several fleet carriers, there is no doubt they would have been able to do so, IMO.
 
IMO, if a japanese player playes exceedingly well, while his allied opponent playes unbelivable bad (like PzB (Japan) battling me (Allies) [;)]), Japan should win!
 
Hm, this got much longer than intended. Sorry for the rant (damn, allready going somewhat off topic with my first post, I´ll promiss to do better [:)])
 
 
Anyway, great work PzB!!! And thanks a lot for your trouble in writing this AAR and keeping us in the loop!
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Wow RHoening. You definitely should not head this way [;)]

From my view WitP has definitely many flaws in the way it was programed - but as far as I can see, they apply to each side. Not at the same time though. Looks to me that you went quickly over Japanese bonuses in the first part of the war. Actually, real KB had hard time doing anything close to what the average player (not to mention PzB) have them doing in their AAR, you say it yourself.

For the forts thing, the number of engineers probably played some role too...
So let's not start whining about some side being "favorised". There's nothing like that, no plot in being, the game was done this way, with its flaws, but nothing like "let's give the Allies a hundred bonuses because we want them to win in the end".
Still some people may say the game was specially designed to prevent Fabertong from winning or PzB from launching big strikes, that's maybe a more realistic hypothesis ([:D])
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RE: The War Grinds on

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As I said, I don´t have a lot of experience and am only judging from what I read in this AAR, so I may be (probably am) totally wrong. But:
 
I am not talking about, say, Uber-Cap, as Japan gets this bonus in the early game too. Neither am I arguing the fact, that the allies have great difficulties getting off coordinated strikes in the early game (this is as it should be, as Japan was the master of multi-carrier-TFs in 42, whereas it took the US about 2 years of war to catch up).
 
However, re. the uncoordinated strikes. There is, to my (admittedly limited) knowledge, a cap in place; when a carrier TF gets above 250 ac, strikes will no longer be coordinated. If this is so, would it be absolutely impossible for this limit to be lower for japan in late war?
Beware! I am not saying this is the case, only saying this is something that could be implemented to hamper japan in late game and force the strikes to split up, as they were late in the war IRL due to the terrible inexperience of japanese pilots.
Would it be impossible for something similar to be implemented for japanese LBA?
 
If the consensus around here is, that I am a paranoid psycho, I´ll shut up [:)]
 
 
Ps: Today I learned that "WitP - The Admirals Edition" is anounced, 5 weeks *after* I bought WitP. This shows my good judgement [:D]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Welcome to the forum, RHoenig! [:)]

When reading a Japanese AAR, you only learn about the bugs that happen to the Japanese side. I suggest you also read the AARs of PzB's opponents (you can find the links in section IV. in this thread: tm.asp?m=1274014). Then you'll see that they, too, have to deal with many "undocumented features". [;)] Believe me, it all evens out.
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RE: The War Grinds on

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I have started allready, but it´ll take some time. I´ll be back in a couple of weeks [:)]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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ORIGINAL: RHoenig

Ps: Today I learned that "WitP - The Admirals Edition" is anounced, 5 weeks *after* I bought WitP. This shows my good judgement [:D]
it's ok, AE will be an addon for WitP, not a stand-alone - so you lost nothin' at all [:)]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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As one of those who spent some months on the other side of the war from PzB, there are a lot of quirks, outright bugs, and some bad design decisions in this game. But, as far as I could ever tell, they seemed to be fairly evenly spread between the two sides. [8D] I really don't see any reason to think that one side was favored. It is a game about WWII combat in the PTO. In the later stages of the war the Allies should be kicking Japans butt around. [:)]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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@ Fishbed: Phew, I wasn´t aware of that. Now I can sleep better again [:)]
 
@ Nomad: I´m well aware that the Allies are supposed to kick Japans butt in 44/45. I was just wondering if there was something in the code, to make sure of this.
 
Well, the consesus seems to be, I am imagining this, so let us rest the case and go back to the war
 
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Anyone know what is going on with this game? 
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Seems to have died due to lack of interest. PzB has accomplished everything he wanted, and the bugs are killing all the remaining interest.
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Well the mandchurian and A-bomb stuff is really annoying, but i guess PzB is ready to go on - isn't he on holidays or something? [&:]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Happy New Year Everyone [8D]

Been away for a week for Xmas and New Year.
When Andy was busy with AE of WitP I also got cured from my addiction!-)
So it has been busy to get started again, especially because of the last problems with the war in Manchuria.
Will try to do a few turns this week, hopefully it'll be a good feeling.

Been doing some Battles in Normandy pbem's playing Rommels plan, excellent stuff [:)]
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Long time no turn; it has been very difficult to get started after the initial break.
Must admit that the monotonousness of 1945 together with a lack of house rules and bugs makes it hard to get on with things.
We will have to see how progress will be, at times it has been a relief not having to spend an hour moving shattered air units around the map every day.

Strategic situation briefing

There is not much to do but wait for the enemy to continue the advance; The Combined Fleet is a tiny shadow of its former self and still requires time in the repair yards before it is ready for another fleet engagement. The Yamato is repairing so sloooowly, 1-2 points per week in our largest port.

Harbin is about to be assaulted; we have 6000 AP and 9 forts, but this won't help as 50 Red Army units are massing at the gates.
After its fall Manchuria will be closed down due to the bug that prevents air missions in the theater.

In the Home Islands most non vital industry has been closed down and the upgrade of Shinden factories together with the strain of supplying outlying islands has reduced supply levels to a low level. Still, production and number of reserve ac is adequate.
The most important bases are now Formosa, the Okinawas and Iwo Jimas. The question is whether Andy will invade these or simply bypass them and land in Japan directly? No matter what he chooses, there will be a break as his shattered troops are rebuilt and reinforced in the Philippines. Our troops are still fighting in Bataan and souther parts of Luzon and there is a lot of mopping up left.

India is pretty much self sustained and we have relatively strong garrisons and an Air Force presence there.
Andy has to divert substantial naval and army resources to re-capture Karachi and Bombay.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/16/45

Bombardments

Another bully bombardment of Bataan by every enemy capital ship afloat:

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1274 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 4
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Air Combat

India

We LR CAP'ed Colombo and achieved surprise!
38 kills for 7 friendly losses.

Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 15
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
Spitfire XIV x 5
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Liberator VI x 34
P-38J Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire XIV: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Liberator VI: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 34
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Day Air attack on 15th Base Force, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
Thunderbolt II x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 4 destroyed
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Enemy troops are marching towards Colombo and we're bombing them on opportunity.

Day Air attack on 1st Aus Army Tank Battalion, at 15,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on 38th/C Division, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
TBM Avenger x 5
Mosquito FB.VI x 19
A-26B Invader x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 21st/C Division, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed
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Philippines

Huge numbers of 4E's hit several AF's in the PI archipelago

Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 4
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 57
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Day Air attack on Legaspi , at 44,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 36
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 47

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 52
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 6
F-5C Lightning x 4
B-29 Superfortress x 217

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 29
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 325
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Okinawas are still hit by 4E's without escorts despite the threat of our CAP fighters
that can cut down 100 bombers in one day.

Day Air attack on Kadina , at 54,45

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 4
B-24J Liberator x 76

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 95
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Ground Combat

The border fort in Manchuria with 4400 Red Army troops still holds up an army of 100k troops...

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96594 troops, 1085 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1901

Defending force 4414 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese max assault: 1431 - adjusted assault: 1874

Allied max defense: 62 - adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 144 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 60801 troops, 417 guns, 1351 vehicles, Assault Value = 1089

Defending force 70973 troops, 109 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 1267

Allied max assault: 894 - adjusted assault: 426

Japanese max defense: 681 - adjusted defense: 269

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
1007 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
1222 casualties reported
Guns lost 34
Vehicles lost 35
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We capture an undefended base in NW Manchuria. Can this get the AI to realize there is a
war going on?

Ground combat at Oboto

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7545 troops, 85 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 150 - adjusted assault: 77

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 77 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Oboto base !!!
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Nice to see you back boss :)
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Thanx Fish, you're still hangin' in! Ever considered starting a game of your own?

Still no a-bombs. Asked Andy whether this is intentional or another bug.
22 Red Army units moved into Harbin - another 28 including 22 that will come across the river to the
NW to go. Assume there will be a shock attack any day now.

Our 6k defensive AP's and 9 forts can't compete because the terrain isn't mountainous and because
the Red Army shock attack values will spike to 12-15k me thinks.

Been considering options for counter strikes, but resources are too limited and the range of our Shindens
too small. We have to wait and fight a defensive battle for now.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/17/45

Nothing really interesting today.

Ground Combat

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96513 troops, 1078 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 1904

Defending force 3870 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Japanese max assault: 1710 - adjusted assault: 1373

Allied max defense: 39 - adjusted defense: 19

Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
445 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Thanx Fish, you're still hangin' in! Ever considered starting a game of your own?
Ho yes. Just started again to play against the AI. But I won't start a real one before I'm over with my term paper (should be around 1 more month or so). Then after I may start practicing everything I learned from the best, lurking around here [8D]
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RE: The War Grinds on

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Welcome back PzB [:D]

Hope you had a good holiday and I,for one, am happy to see this AAR return .. thank you
sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit :)
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