What´s this pictures history?

[Canoerebel]

This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.
 
For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand.  I tried to find that photo today, but no luck.  I believe this photo is genuine.

[Ike99]

witpqs- It looks too neat and posed to be a real combat photo, if it was taken under real combat conditions in that position the picture would be more likely to be off kilter. I also like the way the American flag has fallen in such a convenient place.

I agree the flag laying there looks suspicious. But also I know when the SNLF went ashore in and around the Phillipines they took cameras with them. It´s possible the flag could have been being carried around by one of them as a trophy they took down somewhere. They come across a group of Americans and he throws it down, pulls a grenade and the camera man captures the shot.

From the angle it looks like with the explosion in the back the cameraman has hit the dirt too and is laying on the ground.

As Panzerjaeger pointed out the guys mouth with the grenade. [:D]

You saw the movie ¨Full Metal Jacket¨?

HAVE YOU GOT A WAR FACE!! [:D]

That soldier is wearing a war face from hell or should have been given an award for acting.

I´m undecided and will keep looking for something about the picture though.

[goodboyladdie]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.

For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand.  I tried to find that photo today, but no luck.  I believe this photo is genuine.

Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

[Feltan]

This photo has nothing to do with WWII.

Rather, it is a picture of two Hillary Clinton campaign workers in Iowa coming to terms with the rise of Obama.

Regards,
Feltan

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.

For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand. I tried to find that photo today, but no luck. I believe this photo is genuine.

Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

This one?

[Ike99]

goodboyladdie-Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

[:D]

If we are all thinking of the same picture yes it was a Russian and not a German. But be careful on here about correcting what people ¨think¨ with historical fact though.

[06 Maestro]

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ORIGINAL: Ike99


But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

One of the unfortunate side effects of the U.S. bombing campaign in Japan was the destruction of records-records that shed some liight on Japans atom bomb project, medical experiments, and prapaganda films/photo's. Such is the risk when you set out to de-industrialize an area. I am of the opinion that there is little chance of finding the actual origin of such a picture from Japan-but good luck.

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ORIGINAL: Ike99
Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

Not all "opinions" are unfounded.

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ORIGINAL: Ike99
But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

Are you not the same fellow who stated the Japanese were locked up for 6 years in concentration camps in the U.S.?[&:] For your information those camps were actually open for 2 to 3 years (the camps were opened in the summer of '42 for the most part; Japanese were orderd released in December of '44). One camp was still open till the spring of '46-the one that held Japanese toughies and those that would not take an oath to the U.S.

Are you not the same fellow who accused U.S. soldiers of placing Japanese heads on the front of their tanks and presented a photo of a Japanese tank to make your point?

I suggest you double check your "credible facts" before making a fool of yourself. You are clearly a victom of brainwashing-you despise Americans for things that you think they did 60 years ago-this is really pathetic-and sad.
Find some new sources of information, and lighten up a little-please.





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[witpqs]

I wrote this earlier:

Plus, if the enemy is close enough to throw a grenade at them, the guy on the lower right is being awfully casual with his rifle...

Elaborating: How far do you think you can throw a grenade? The enemy can certainly shoot further. If the photo was real I think the guy on the ground would either be shooting (to keep the guy with the grenade from getting shot) or ready to shoot. As it is, he is practically lying on top of his rifle, it certainly is not shouldered.

Combining that with the other elements of the picture that other posters mentioned, I suspect it is a staged photo. Sure, it could be real, but doubt it.

[TulliusDetritus]

On a second thought, I think the origin of the pic can be tracked. Ike99, you posted the pic of a book cover. Every book must mention who made the photo or pic of the cover. Check the first pages of that book (Mark Herman etc. etc.) if you have it and see the name of the photographer, name of the pic, etc. It will be there. It must be there.

[Ike99]

TulliusDetritus-On a second thought, I think the origin of the pic can be tracked. Ike99, you posted the pic of a book cover. Every book must mention who made the photo or pic of the cover. Check the first pages of that book (Mark Herman etc. etc.) if you have it and see the name of the photographer, name of the pic, etc. It will be there. It must be there.

I posted GMT´s game box cover for their Pacific game that has this picture on the cover. Book?

[hueglin]

ORIGINAL: Ike99

goodboyladdie-Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

[:D]

If we are all thinking of the same picture yes it was a Russian and not a German. But be careful on here about correcting what people ¨think¨ with historical fact though.

The German equivalent had a soldier throwing a hand grenade in the background and an officer with binoculars in the foreground. (Squad Leader box cover) - I am pretty sure that one was staged for the wartime magazine Signal.

[TulliusDetritus]

That was a game then [8|] Even if it is a game I guess they should mention the name of the photographer at least. Tell us their answer, please [:)] What about the manual of the game? Are you sure they don't mention the "photographer" or source of the pic? In theory they should.

[AW1Steve]

[:)] Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer! [:D]

[mlees]

Um, Ike99, if you look at the photo of the box cover you gave in post #26, at the bottom, in fine print, reads "We won't stop shooting! -1943 Tokyo theatre billboard advertisement".

I tried googling that phrase, got this site: http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/post-cold-war/smithsonian-controversy/enola-gay-exhibit-draft-final-unit-2.htm

Clicking on that site, I dont get images loading. But that phrase appears about 80% of the way down, under the section titled "The Japanese Home Front At War", right hand column.

Tokyo street scene, 1943. The advertising slogan beneath the Japanese soldiers on the billboard reads, "We won't stop shooting!"  Courtesy Asahi Shimbun

Still looking...

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

[:)] Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer! [:D]

Erm, it's irrelevant...

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

[:)] Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer! [:D]

Erm, it's irrelevant...

[:D]So's the Thread , that hasn't stopped us yet! [:D]

[DuckofTindalos]

There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

[:D]And which is which? [:D]

[whippleofd]

ORIGINAL: Ike99

Hey Ike

There is a chance the actors are still alive. If you post this picture on a Japanese site, you just might be able to learn all about the production.
Good luck on your search for knowledge.

Actors? There are many pictures from WW2 maestro that appear to be made by actors or ¨staged¨ or faked in some way when in fact they are not.

But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

I like the squid kissin the girl picture better than all the others ever posted. But then again I'm a hole-snipe and we didn't get out much. Or could it be the Ray-de-ation warping my mental capacities? No comments from you lady air-dales. [:-][:-][:D][:D]

Whipple

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Whipple

ORIGINAL: Ike99

Hey Ike

There is a chance the actors are still alive. If you post this picture on a Japanese site, you just might be able to learn all about the production.
Good luck on your search for knowledge.

Actors? There are many pictures from WW2 maestro that appear to be made by actors or ¨staged¨ or faked in some way when in fact they are not.

But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

I like the squid kissin the girl picture better than all the others ever posted. But then again I'm a hole-snipe and we didn't get out much. Or could it be the Ray-de-ation warping my mental capacities? No comments from you lady air-dales. [:-][:-][:D][:D]

Whipple

As the 1st airdale to respond I'd like to say that i resemble that, I mean resent that remark. No wonder they used to keep you down in the hole. [:D]