AE Map, Base, Economic Issues [OUTDATED]

[spence]

If there is to be a Rising Sun (Conquest of the DEI) scenario the map area needs to be large enough that the British can withdraw ships if necessary (i.e. have at least one of the withdrawal ports on the map). Increasing the area would also make it harder for the IJN to trap Allied ships against the edge of the map area and sink them as is now the case with the scenario in Stock.

[Admiral Scott]

I wish we had the full map to look at right now!

[Gunner98]

ORIGINAL: Blackhorse

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Could you explain the Off-map connections. 

You've got the whole world in your hands.

Thanks Blackhorse, this is great. A few more questions

-Will the Off map routes be imune or suseptable to IJN (or German) Sub interdiction?
-Are they in possible air range, I suspect they are too far out for that?
-Will the Off map repair yards be factored down to accomodate repair of ETO shipping?
-Can you give an example of how long it will take to move a Land unit from New York to PH? NY to LA by rail?
-I understand that Atlantic Fleet, Home Fleet and ETO units will NOT be included - will there be scope however, at very high PP cost to extracate a small a-historical increase in forces from the ETO - a nudge toward a Pacific first campaign? Possibly in a specific scenario?
-Is the Off map option extended to the 'Air bridge' across the atlantic or simply the shipping lanes? this would mean including Iceland, Greenland, NewFoundland, Labrador, Halafax etc?
-Are there links from the Med as well?

This is great and adds a whole spectrum of options for later scenario design.

Thanks

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: medck

any chance of posting screenshots of the off-map hexes, Panama, Aden, etc?

Screenshots are currently being handled by Matrix.

Andrew

[Andy Mac]

-Will the Off map routes be imune or suseptable to IJN (or German) Sub interdiction?

No not possible to do up until the entry points they can be attacked after that no.

-Are they in possible air range, I suspect they are too far out for that?

No no air missions possible over these bases.

-Will the Off map repair yards be factored down to accomodate repair of ETO shipping?

They are UK Box is I think a 200 repair yard and east coast is [cannot remember] and its the biggest in allied hands - remember though the speed of the ship dictates how long it takes to get to the off map box so getting to the big east coast repair yards is hard to do.

I know we reduced the UK and Canandian East Coast yards to accomodate the impact of the battle of the Atlantic.

-Can you give an example of how long it will take to move a Land unit from New York to PH? NY to LA by rail?

Not sure yet but it takes a while.

-I understand that Atlantic Fleet, Home Fleet and ETO units will NOT be included - will there be scope however, at very high PP cost to extracate a small a-historical increase in forces from the ETO - a nudge toward a Pacific first campaign? Possibly in a specific scenario?

Modders can we have not this is more properly a what if campaign merely allowing US troops to transfer to India and vice versa is probably enough of a nod in this direction.

-Is the Off map option extended to the 'Air bridge' across the atlantic or simply the shipping lanes? this would mean including Iceland, Greenland, NewFoundland, Labrador, Halafax etc?

Air units need to be on ships if it is a sea route

-Are there links from the Med as well?

Not sure how this works - Andrew will answer better than I can

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Admiral Scott

Can you post a list of all the new on map bases please?

Will Tahiti be added?

I don't know when I will be able to post a list of bases. The list is not yet complete. But Tahiti is included, as mentioned.

Andrew

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

A few more questions

-Will the Off map routes be imune or suseptable to IJN (or German) Sub interdiction?

There is no Axis sub interdiction. Movement between off map areas, and between off map areas and the main map, are only possible for Allied TFs.

-Are they in possible air range, I suspect they are too far out for that?

Japanese air units cannot operate in off-map areas. Allied air units can base in off-map bases, but there would be nothing for them to do there (except train, I guess).

-Will the Off map repair yards be factored down to accomodate repair of ETO shipping?

I am adding some repair capacity to the off-map bases, but only an amount that seems reasonable given that only a portion of their time was spent on ships from the Pacific theatre. I am just starting to look at shipyards, so the numbers are not fixed yet.

-Can you give an example of how long it will take to move a Land unit from New York to PH? NY to LA by rail?

OK. "US East Coast" (a generic base - not NY specifically) to Panama is a distance of 45 hexes. I am not certain but I think Panama to PH is about 110 hexes.

-I understand that Atlantic Fleet, Home Fleet and ETO units will NOT be included - will there be scope however, at very high PP cost to extracate a small a-historical increase in forces from the ETO - a nudge toward a Pacific first campaign? Possibly in a specific scenario?

You will have to ask the naval folks about that. I guess that this would be at least possible but I am not sure.

-Is the Off map option extended to the 'Air bridge' across the atlantic or simply the shipping lanes? this would mean including Iceland, Greenland, NewFoundland, Labrador, Halafax etc?

Air and land units can be directly transferred between off map bases using an abstract system that simulates movement by convoy. There is no flying of air units between off map bases (or between off map bases and the main map).

-Are there links from the Med as well?

Yes there is a link through the Med, but it only becomes available at the end of May 1943.

Andrew

Edit - I just saw that Andy gave some answers as well while I was typing this! Thanks Andy.

[bradfordkay]

" -Can you give an example of how long it will take to move a Land unit from New York to PH? NY to LA by rail?

Not sure yet but it takes a while. "



Has anyone compared this to the historic rate of a transcontinental redeployment? I'm sure that we can find somewhere the amount of time it took to redeploy a major US unit(or three) fom one US coast to another...

[Brady]

I already heard that thier is no madascar, So I asumed that their is no coast of Africa, How far East does the Map go into the Indian Ocean?

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Brady

I already heard that thier is no madascar, So I asumed that their is no coast of Africa, How far East does the Map go into the Indian Ocean?

It goes "East" all the way to the Pacific, Brady. Africa is West of the Indian Ocean. And it's all off-map.

[Brady]

Thats what I get for typing berfore coffe[:)]

[Andy Mac]

The new map is great there is more room in hex terms west of Java and Australia but you are correct Madagasker did not make the cut.
 
ps did I say how much I love the new map [:D][:D][:D][:D]

[Brady]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

The new map is great there is more room in hex terms west of Java and Australia but you are correct Madagasker did not make the cut.

ps did I say how much I love the new map [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Thats great, I always felt that the old map realy restricted the allies abaility to run ships from India to Austraila.(was to easy for Japan to interdict.)

Which raises a question, is the suply available in India suficient to suply Austraila, or will the Allied player want to bring suply from the west coast to run Austraila.

Also is Austrailas indiginious suply capacity better represented in AE than it was in WiTP?

[mikemike]

Concerning (potential) bases, a very good source would be contemporary mariner's guides (aka "pilots" like "New Guinea Pilot"). That kind of document should contain exhaustive information about every possible harbor, anchorage, sheltered bay, atoll etc. Modern issues would probably serve well, too. I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone in this forum with access to that kind of material.

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Brady
Which raises a question, is the suply available in India suficient to suply Austraila, or will the Allied player want to bring suply from the west coast to run Austraila.

Australia has a net surplus of supplies in AE. What it does need though, is Fuel to run its HI centres. There is a lot of fuel generated in the Middle East which can be shipped to Australia, and India. Fuel could be shipped from the USA as well.

Also is Austrailas indiginious suply capacity better represented in AE than it was in WiTP?

What do you mean, Brady?

Andrew

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: mikemike

Concerning (potential) bases, a very good source would be contemporary mariner's guides (aka "pilots" like "New Guinea Pilot"). That kind of document should contain exhaustive information about every possible harbor, anchorage, sheltered bay, atoll etc. Modern issues would probably serve well, too. I wouldn't be surprised if there was someone in this forum with access to that kind of material.

It's all available free on line, courtesy of your US tax dollars:

Sailing Directions Enroute

Find charts through this portal

More stuff here

For actual charts you have to also follow some links to download free viewers from third parties.

[Captain Cruft]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
Australia has a net surplus of supplies in AE. What it does need though, is Fuel to run its HI centres. There is a lot of fuel generated in the Middle East which can be shipped to Australia, and India. Fuel could be shipped from the USA as well.

That's a giveaway ...

So Fuel is now the required input to Heavy Industry not Oil. I suppose this represents "Energy Production", and if so that makes sense.

[bradfordkay]

" Also is Austrailas indiginious suply capacity better represented in AE than it was in WiTP? "

What's that? In AE we have to provide supply to the indigenous tribes of Australia? Andrew, how on earth did you let this get past your original map mod?

[witpqs]

At least it isn't BYOB. They've got great beer.

[wwengr]

Andrew,

I am curious what projection you used for the map? The area is large enough that it is not possible to get the traditional look and accuracy for distances between points.

Another small thing. Will the new map hav ethe correct spelling for Johnston Island. Having spent some time there myself, I assure you there is a "t" in the name.