Creating depots on ships?

[Snydeman55]

Ok, I've read the manual. I've played the game.

How do I create and/or GET a depot onto a fleet? I've got two heavy fleets and one transport fleet sitting in London, with one corps of men loaded for some Turkish fun down south...

..but they keep starving. Not because I don't know about sea supply, but because I can not, for the life of me, figure out on the interface HOW to do it.

Help please?

[nappy]

Click on a fleet during land phase and then click add/remove depot on a heavy or transport fleet.
 
Naps

[Grognot]

And note that you can't -keep- the corps on the fleet -- they must disembark during each land phase, or die. Regardless of depots.

Sea supply will work between ports with depots, assuming one has a fleet and one is either a supply source or within a valid depot chain.  Invasion supply will work from a sea zone instead of a port, and will supply corps on all adjacent coasts, but does not extend further and will not allow you to reinforce the corps.

[zaquex]

I do beleive you need a depot in a harbour containing a friendly fleet to use invasion supply (as of the same principle as sea supply).

Note that I think you need to disembark your troops before you can place the depot and possibly only on a fleet that disembarked troops, although once placed the invasion supply depot can supply any number of corps in any adjacent land areas as long as it exists (can be very powerful, especially for someone marching through northern africa or doing coastal marches during winter).

As an example an invasion supply depot on the Prusian coastline could provide supply to sweden, prussia and (edit: ops, wrote russia but meant denmark) denmark at once.

[Cossaky]

Hey guys,
 
Here's a stupid question.  I've never played Britain in either the board game or computer version.  How does the UK leap-frog units to North Africa if they need to disembark at the end of each land phase and ships only move three spaces per turn?  I seem to remember fleets moved faster in the original game, but perhaps I'm mixing my memories of EiA and WiF.
 
Thanks,
 
Cossaky

[Murat]

Heavy and Light ships have carrying capacity and move 7. They just cannot carry as much per unit as a transport.

[nappy]

Also note for sea/invasion supply you must be in the sea area NOT a blockade box.
 
Naps

[Cossaky]

Thanks gents!  7 spaces is what I remembered from the boardgame.  The transport movement just threw me off.

[nappy]

ORIGINAL: Cossaky

Thanks gents! 7 spaces is what I remembered from the boardgame. The transport movement just threw me off.

Yeah it threw me for a loop too. If you want to use transports then places like Gibraltar , Portugal and Denmark start looking really tasty.

Naps

[La Provence]

For that reason, Gibraltar and Malta are very important for British ! [;)]

[Jimmer]

ORIGINAL: zaquex

I do beleive you need a depot in a harbour containing a friendly fleet to use invasion supply (as of the same principle as sea supply).

I tested this last night.

No, you don't have to wait to build the depot until you have dropped the corps off. It works either way. HOWEVER, you won't be able to easily NOTICE that you still have a corps on the fleet, because the round dot takes up the same space for either a depot or a corps. But, the game will stop you at the end of the land phase and ask you if you really meant to starve your troops.

[zaquex]

ORIGINAL: Jimmer

ORIGINAL: zaquex

I do beleive you need a depot in a harbour containing a friendly fleet to use invasion supply (as of the same principle as sea supply).

I tested this last night.

No, you don't have to wait to build the depot until you have dropped the corps off. It works either way. HOWEVER, you won't be able to easily NOTICE that you still have a corps on the fleet, because the round dot takes up the same space for either a depot or a corps. But, the game will stop you at the end of the land phase and ask you if you really meant to starve your troops.

ok, thank's, wasnt really sure, just remembered having had problems with unloading it without first unloading

[Snydeman55]

Ok, so I load a transport fleet with a British corp at Plymouth. It can't reach Gibralter. The Corp can't stay on the transport fleet because they'll starve and have to be unloaded.
 
So the British can never reinforce the Med front? Does this sound reasonable?

[Snydeman55]

Yep, they starved. I loaded the trans fleet at Plymouth, put a supply depot in Plymouth AND on the fleet, and the bloody fleet moved 4 spaces per turn. Not enough to reach Gibralter or ANY port of call. Funny, I don't remember units having to be dropped off EVERY turn, or I remember fleets being loaded and still having all 7 movement points or something, because in my face-to-face games Britain sure had fun transporting guys around the board.
 
One wonders how the Brits transported anyone anywhere.
 
Am I doing something wrong? I'd know how to solve this within the logic of the game system if I understood this Byzantine interface.

[Marshall Ellis]

Yep, you gotta let them guys stretch their legs a little! Use the heavies to transport your boys to Gibraltar. They can still transport forces, just at a lesser capacity.
 
I don't think this rule is any different from the board game? Anybody have a house rule where you don't have to unload?
 
 

[DodgyDave]

perhaps the transport fleet counter, should allow for troops to stay onboard, because a movement of just 3, seems rather limited, perhaps make an option for it, so that you count any onboard as being in a city, so would need a depot each land phase, to pay for their supplies.

[Bearcat2]

I have the original[1983] and 2nd edition 1983,1984 EiA ADG
These rules have:
Armies had to be unloaded at the end of the land phase, or they would be eliminated. However; 1 fleet counter could carry 1 corp counter and there were only 1 type of fleets with up to 30 in a fleet container.

[Snydeman55]

I think the problem is that transport fleets move far too slowly to make them useful to the British. They would only help with a full-scale invasion of France...which usually just isn't going to happen.
 
Any chance we could increase the movement rate on them, if even for Britain?

[JavaJoe]

ORIGINAL: Snydeman55

I think the problem is that transport fleets move far too slowly to make them useful to the British. They would only help with a full-scale invasion of France...which usually just isn't going to happen.

Any chance we could increase the movement rate on them, if even for Britain?

I would campaign for eliminating them and adding a few extra ships to each country to compensate. 5 trnpts = 1Hvy

[DodgyDave]

or if they are to remain, make it so that the heavy fleets can add them to the fleet.

but really since heavy and light ships can move troops, then no point for them being in the game really or is there?