RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[Gen.Hoepner]

Trollelite says that he's not having much fun playing with me, because i do not start a game playing as Japan against him (as allies). Only the allies (he says) do have fun in witp, so untill his other opponent ("snip" i think) sends him the next turn and he can have some fun playing as the "good ones", i won't have my turn...
So guys, you'll have to hold on your breath for some more time...let's hope snip won't make us wait for too long...
 
Anyway, here's the OOBs for the last stand in Karachi as promised:
 
Only infantry and tank units:
 
7th AIF div: 350 AVs
18th UK div: 340 AVs
6th Ind. Bde: 100 AVs
99th Ind. Bde: 100 AVs
63th Ind. Bde: 100 AVs
48th Ind. Gurkha Bde: 120 AVs
45th Ind. Bde: 120 AVs
46th Ind. Bde: 120 AVs
13rd Ind. Bde: 100 AVs
26th Ind. Div: 60 AVs
23rd Ind. Div: 100AVs
14th Ind. Div: 120 AVs
20th Ind. Div: 120 AVs
1st Burma bde: 60 AVs
2nd Burma Bde: 60 AVs
254th Tank bde: 70 AVs
255th Tank Bde:70 AVs
 
for a total of 2.210 AVs...

[okami]

GH do not forget HQ in your final defense force, you need their support elements.

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: okami

GH do not forget HQ in your final defense force, you need their support elements.

Hi Okami,

Yes i was just enumerating the combat units.
However if this game will ever resume (Trollelite is being much "criptic" about his will to keep on playing), in Karachi there will be also the SEA HQ, the Indian HQ, 3 Air HQs and the III Indian Corp HQ.... so enough i'd say[:'(]

[okami]

I don't like to disparage another player. But it seems his strategy did not account for your use of the PI and that is why your game is slowing down. As to his accerssion(?) that only the allies have fun... he does not speak for those who have lost the KB and still won the war. I have read many of his posts and they have the same theme and it is sad really. He gives JFB a bad name. Question: What does his game with Snip have to do with your game. Answer: Nothing it is an accuse not to continue. Sad really.

[skrewball]

Yeah I hate to say it, but I don't foresee this game going on for much longer. What is the point of playing a game if you get no enjoyment out of it?

trollelite must be experiencing what I am in my new game as the JPN. You stress the loss of every ship...of every plane because you know it may come back to bite you in the ass later on in the game. I don't know how you JFBs do it, lol.

[Gen.Hoepner]

Yes but com'on! He's winning all over the map! He has lost so many assets till now that i really do not see how can he not have fun...or, i mean....if you do not like play as JPN why in the world you offered to play??
In my experience the goodness of playin as JPN is to do better than history, knowing that "victory" for you must mean or the autovictory in 1.1.43 or a longer surviving than JPN in RL... what's the point of abbandoning a game in Feb 42 when you're rolling all over the Pacific?[&:]

[cantona2]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Yes but com'on! He's winning all over the map! He has lost so many assets till now that i really do not see how can he not have fun...or, i mean....if you do not like play as JPN why in the world you offered to play??
In my experience the goodness of playin as JPN is to do better than history, knowing that "victory" for you must mean or the autovictory in 1.1.43 or a longer surviving than JPN in RL... what's the point of abbandoning a game in Feb 42 when you're rolling all over the Pacific?[&:]

...and that is that GH good point. His challenge now is to combat your PI strategy. Think of it as a pacific operation blau (insted of Stalingrad and the Caucases read India). massive operational goals, overstreteched lines of supply and communication, thus inviting flank attacks

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Yes but com'on! He's winning all over the map! He has lost so many assets till now that i really do not see how can he not have fun...or, i mean....if you do not like play as JPN why in the world you offered to play??
In my experience the goodness of playin as JPN is to do better than history, knowing that "victory" for you must mean or the autovictory in 1.1.43 or a longer surviving than JPN in RL... what's the point of abbandoning a game in Feb 42 when you're rolling all over the Pacific?[&:]

He is not winning! He has overcommitted in India and a successful US counteroffensive in the Marshals (and this is up to you) will unbalance him. Even if he manages to conquer the whole of India, he'll have to keep sizeable forces (including some CV's) there to guard it (and Java), as long as you're in possession of Aden with the RN intact. And if you manage to deliver enough supplies to the PI, it will take a long time for him to conquer Manila.

[cantona2]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Yes but com'on! He's winning all over the map! He has lost so many assets till now that i really do not see how can he not have fun...or, i mean....if you do not like play as JPN why in the world you offered to play??
In my experience the goodness of playin as JPN is to do better than history, knowing that "victory" for you must mean or the autovictory in 1.1.43 or a longer surviving than JPN in RL... what's the point of abbandoning a game in Feb 42 when you're rolling all over the Pacific?[&:]

He is not winning! He has overcommitted in India and a successful US counteroffensive in the Marshals (and this is up to you) will unbalance him. Even if he manages to conquer the whole of India, he'll have to keep sizeable forces (including some CV's) there to guard it (and Java), as long as you're in possession of Aden with the RN intact. And if you manage to deliver enough supplies to the PI, it will take a long time for him to conquer Manila.

thats the cool thing about this game, its a very good simulation of strategic warfare and though tactically trollelite has proved to be a good opponent, strategically he doesnt seem to have thought things out

[TenChiMato]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
He is not winning! He has overcommitted in India and a successful US counteroffensive in the Marshals (and this is up to you) will unbalance him. Even if he manages to conquer the whole of India, he'll have to keep sizeable forces (including some CV's) there to guard it (and Java), as long as you're in possession of Aden with the RN intact. And if you manage to deliver enough supplies to the PI, it will take a long time for him to conquer Manila.

I dont see him winning either; nearly all his available IJ army and navy units are in India right now along with most of his APs, even the SouthSeas detachment is there, so with what is he going to defend the Marshalls and the DEI?

Understrengh SNLFs cannot hold against a coordinated attack and he more than likely does not have any sizeable reserves to counterattack you. He is out of position, out of balance and cannot afford not to deal with the PI first.

As for the fleet many of his BBs are damaged since Singapore. This seriously limit the number of supporting TFs he can bring back along with KB while keeping sizeable forces in the Indian Ocean.

[jumper]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

what's the point of abbandoning a game in Feb 42 when you're rolling all over the Pacific?[&:]

Maybe he wants to quit now with some strange excuse of "not having fun playing japanese" when he is still rolling all around then 2 months later when he is being rolled all around and having no excuse for quiting..

[Gen.Hoepner]

Hi all,
 
I really hope he won't quit...i'm really enjoying this match...it's thrilling and it poses problems that i never faced, so it's kind of a constant news for me...so let's hope he will continue... He says that this weekend he will tell me something about...let's just wait and cross the fingers...
 
 

[Elladan]

Ave General,
Don't want to put your hopes down but even if he resumes now (which I think he will do) he's not going to play after he meets some stiff resistance at Karachi/Bombay and is caught with his pants down in Marshalls area. I have seen this behaviour too many times, blaming game engine and opponent for own strategic failures.
As for your strategic situation, Japanese have of course initiative so early in the war, but I doubt he's using it effectively. The shortest and most effective way to Japan goes through Pacific and he seems to not care about this. His fault.
It will be interesting to see how it comes out
Have a good war General
Elladan

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Elladan

Ave General,
Don't want to put your hopes down but even if he resumes now (which I think he will do) he's not going to play after he meets some stiff resistance at Karachi/Bombay and is caught with his pants down in Marshalls area. I have seen this behaviour too many times, blaming game engine and opponent for own strategic failures.
As for your strategic situation, Japanese have of course initiative so early in the war, but I doubt he's using it effectively. The shortest and most effective way to Japan goes through Pacific and he seems to not care about this. His fault.
It will be interesting to see how it comes out
Have a good war General
Elladan

Hi Elldan

the pacific way is surely an easy one for Japan but there are 2 main flaws in it: if the allies play a Sir Robin, Japan won't be able to get enough points for an autovictory in 1.1.43. Secondly, India, if left untouched, will give serious troubles to Japan in Burma early in the game. From the big bases in Bangladesh the allies can bomb the hell out of Burma and soon start a land offensive there.
Where he's making a mistake (imho) is not to have left anything in the pacific. A division, a BB formation and the baby KB, along with some serious air assets, will provide enough power to threat any early american counteroffensive. While it seems that he simply brought everything in India, including those units that should be used in the pacific imho (S.S.D., 35th and 65th Bdes etc...).
However he keeps on saying that every allied opponent he faced has quitted before summer 42....so let's see if he'd like to face a non-quitter allied player[;)]

[Elladan]

However he keeps on saying that every allied opponent he faced has quitted before summer 42....so let's see if he'd like to face a non-quitter allied player

Ah, so this is his strategy, impressive.

I'm not advocating leaving India unchallenged, that is very nice for Allied player as he can prepare some serious forces for Burma theatre then. But an all-out attack in one direction is very seldom a good move.
As for auto-victory, I don't care about it in my games, it's borked in stock and even more uncalibrated in mods.

[mlees]

In Trollelite's sister thread, he mentions that some air unit of his did not launch against a ship/TF of yours that got spotted. He saw that as evidence of how the game is tilted (rigged) towards the Allies favor. (I can't tell yet if he actually believes that, or if he was just venting frustration.)
 
If you wish to continue this game, you may have to use some skillful diplomacy to calm his nerves. (He may be a bit of a "high strung, high maintenance" kind of guy.) For example: Keep reminding him of how much of a challenge he is presenting to you. Tell him how much fun your having trying to slow his juggernaught. Express surprise at his bold moves, yada yada. You said these things to us here on these forums, don't forget to pass them on to him, assuming you aren't doing that now.

[cantona2]

ORIGINAL: mlees

In Trollelite's sister thread, he mentions that some air unit of his did not launch against a ship/TF of yours that got spotted. He saw that as evidence of how the game is tilted (rigged) towards the Allies favor. (I can't tell yet if he actually believes that, or if he was just venting frustration.)

If you wish to continue this game, you may have to use some skillful diplomacy to calm his nerves. (He may be a bit of a "high strung, high maintenance" kind of guy.) For example: Keep reminding him of how much of a challenge he is presenting to you. Tell him how much fun your having trying to slow his juggernaught. Express surprise at his bold moves, yada yada. You said these things to us here on these forums, don't forget to pass them on to him, assuming you aren't doing that now.

Far too graceful, id have already said thanks, but no thanks and ill be looking for another JFB to play.

[TenChiMato]

ORIGINAL: mlees

In Trollelite's sister thread, he mentions that some air unit of his did not launch against a ship/TF of yours that got spotted. He saw that as evidence of how the game is tilted (rigged) towards the Allies favor. (I can't tell yet if he actually believes that, or if he was just venting frustration.)

If you wish to continue this game, you may have to use some skillful diplomacy to calm his nerves. (He may be a bit of a "high strung, high maintenance" kind of guy.) For example: Keep reminding him of how much of a challenge he is presenting to you. Tell him how much fun your having trying to slow his juggernaught. Express surprise at his bold moves, yada yada. You said these things to us here on these forums, don't forget to pass them on to him, assuming you aren't doing that now.

I played against him for some time (as JFB) and there is no doubt he is a good player but the least I can tell is that his temper and way of communicating clearly arent paying honor to his tactical skills.

in the end its a question about whether you both keep enjoying the game or not. If one is not having fun no matter the reason it ruins the play. I called it quit for that reason, it was challenging but not funny at all; too bad [:(]

[Feinder]

I always cringe when I post or reply in the general "Opponents Wanted" forum.  Most of my opponents only play names they recognize that have been around for a while (and likely have several games under their belt).
 
It's disappointing when somebody abandons a game.  Yes, I understand that "if it ain't fun, don't waste the time".  It -is- a lot of time.  But it's disappointing for both when you've invested time in a game, and somebody bails.  It takes two to play tho.  You might get a taker for it, if you can get Troll's password.
 
-F-

[Gen.Hoepner]

However guys, not every hope is lost. This week end we'll know