AAR Battle of France Lebatron vs xianing

[xianing]

This is not a full game but a short sample game with Lebatron to show if France can be hold more than before in mod UV2.1.
So here UN will put all they have into this battle, as it is not obvious France will fall soon. Japan Soviet and China remain freezed in this game. The game will finish when France falls.

We can see here a typical beginning, Germany took poland with little loss. A UN transport shot by sub.
The major disadvantage of UN is they have to defend both part of France. Germany techs will soon become superior than UN is another problem.

[xianing]

The situation of 39 Fall is showed here. Germany just did some deployment and damaged a UN sub. UN put a strong defence in both sides of France. I don't think Germany will attack Maginot in the winter.

[Lebatron]

xianing has pulled just about every Allied troop from every corner of the world to try and hold France. He may get a decent counter attack, but risking all them British forces would be a mistake in the end. Had I been planning on making this a full game I would probably be able to take England and Cairo because many British forces would have been damaged/destoyed trying to hold France in vain. Since xianing knows there is no play after the fall of France it seems to me he is not being totally honest in his deployment. 

[xianing]

I should say this game is just to show how long France can be hold if UN try their best, so as I said at first post that I will put everything there.
Secondly, I think the loss of Germany is even more than UK. I forgot the screen shot and hope Lebatron can put one here, that Germany suffer about 20 hits during 40 Winter turn. About 20 population points were lost. UK also has some damage but I think it worths.
If in the spring turn France falls, we could say that the hypothesis of France can be hold is proved wrong.
 
 

[xianing]

Ok, I got screen shots in view mode and showed below. Germany attacked TLC just destroied everything and sank a UN transport.

First I tried to attack the rail of TLC but failed (a mistake because I did not see another rail repaired). Then a general attack showed a good result in favor of UN. All German artilleries are gone for repairing. Next turn Germany is unable to get a combination arm bouns in WF, but still a good chance to take it. I wonder if I had transfered some more infantries from east to west, the next turn would be easier for UN.

[Lebatron]

I was hit pretty bad and was very unfortunate to lose all the Arty. The attack seemed a bit on the lucky side so I played a solo game doing basically the same thing over. That is pull every UN force and put in France for a counter attack on TLC when it comes. Here is the result of that combat. This time Germany did not lose every Arty.

[Lebatron]

Well I took France on the second attempt. First time the targeting wasn't in my favor and I was short by 1 infantry hit to get 2to1 to force a retreat. Second time my forces targeted better and the final result was 11to5 and I had my 2to1 to win the battle. It could have went either way so in some cases France may hold one extra turn when the UN puts all its eggs into one basket. However if I had built over the starting amount of infantry(16) it certainly would have been a definite German win in Sp40. Is Xianing's strat worth it? IMO no. It strips to many forces from important defensive positions. It makes Cairo much easier. It makes Sealion much easier etc. If the British attempt the face down the German war machine in Europe itself before they are really prepared, it's a losing position for them. I would immediately switch to a Britain first strategy if the Allied player put everything into Europe like Xianing did. I will say however that UV2.0+ does give the Allied player a better counter attack into TLC than the stock scenarios. That design was intentional on my part because I felt, for it's cost, a Fall39 counter attack didn't deliver very good results.

Here is the battle result of France.

[Lebatron]

I would consider UN loses to be very heavy. Notice the lost Arty and airpower. Earlier xianing commited British fighter against German ones in TLC. It was 2 on 2 I believe. As the German player I welcomed the chance to take out British fighters before the Battle of Britain even started. Plus the CAG in France was a juicy target and I got one of them. German loses were as I said above probably greater than they should have been on average.

[Lebatron]

End of turn Sp40

[xianing]

Thank for Lebatron's clear demonstration here. I agree that the loss of UN is normally higher than Germany, if this strategy is applied. Let's say about in 60% cases UN loss is great and France fall at spring 40. 30% cases UN loss will be not too high(for example if the troops in WF are majorly made in France) and Germany receives high loss. 10% cases UN have little loss and France is hold one more turn(or even more if lucky enough).
So it is something like gambling, if UN side win then Germany will get some trouble, the same thing if Germany win.
Anyway, UN2.1 offers another choice for UN player. They can try to stop Germany at the beginning, very difficult but not impossible.
 

[Petiloup]

Interesting but I think the main point is to know if you can cripple the German enough to render Barbarossa impossible or if making him focus on an Allied first strategy would doom him when Russia enters the war if AV is not reached.