OOB bugs here

GI Seve · Post by **GI Seve** » Fri Sep 15, 2000 12:48 pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kharan:
On second thought, Harvi should be changed to Nirvi.

Yes I just have to agree with that one

renwor · Post by **renwor** » Fri Sep 15, 2000 5:24 pm

Funny, did anybody notice the armament of Philipines PT boat?

120kg bomb in slot 4.

also how did the philipines got their hands on german halftracks ??????

Voriax · Post by **Voriax** » Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:00 pm

Originally posted by renwor:
Funny, did anybody notice the armament of Philipines PT boat?

120kg bomb in slot 4.

also how did the philipines got their hands on german halftracks ??????

Suicide boat?

Those german vehicles may have been intended for scenario only and placed into Phil oob due to lack of space...avail dates should be 12/49 then.

Voriax

Warhorse · Post by **Warhorse** » Fri Sep 15, 2000 6:31 pm

Those German vehicles were moved to Czechoslovakia, unfortunately seems the wrong oob was sent out!! I fixed it, and sent to Paul, should be up soon?

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Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

Kharan · Post by **Kharan** » Sun Sep 17, 2000 11:22 pm

SS and Guard troops should cost a bit more than regular.

Artillery cost should differ more on caliber. There's only 21 points difference with 75mm and 150mm artillery battery. 81mm mortar section costs more than a 150mm arty battery.

T-44 should cost more than 5 points more than T-34/85. The Russian heavies are pretty cheap compared to American tanks, a 76mm Sherman costs more than a IS-2 and a 76mm Sherman Jumbo costs the same as IS-3.

The manual lists the ground attack specialists as:

Ju-87g, Hs-129, IL-2 Shturmovik, P-39 Airacobra, B-25h Mitchell, IL-10
Shturmovik.

Not mentioned are:

Mosquito VI RP
All Typhoons
Hurricane IID
C.R. 42 AS Falco
Arado-234B-2
P-38j
Gladiator Mk II
Potez P633
Breguet 693
P-47D (except one variant)
All JU-88 P's
Ki-84 Frank
Ki-45 KAlb Nick
N1K2 George
Spitfire X
Fokker G1
Fokker D21
Martin B-10
Ju 87B-2
Fiat C.R. 42
IMAM Ro 37
A-1 Skyraider
Martin B-10
SB2C Helldiver

Yak-9B and 9T, Ju-87B-1, Focke Wulf 190 F and G and that one P-47D variant should be marked specialists also. And there should be some indication whether a plane is a specialist in the buying screen, that list is pretty hard to memorize

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[This message has been edited by Kharan (edited September 18, 2000).]

jolakki · Post by **jolakki** » Sun Sep 17, 2000 11:32 pm

Troops seem to regenerate lost men after you save and exit the game.

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Mon Sep 18, 2000 5:23 am

Filipino leaders have Korean and Chinese names. They should have Spanish, Malay and a few Chinese names. Could also have some American names in there for spice and realism.

BTW, Am doing a generated battle between Filipino guerrillas and Japanese. The guerrillas are eating the Hapons alive. They're much tougher than they were in ver 1.0

troopie

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Pamwe Chete

Peregrine Falcon · Post by **Peregrine Falcon** » Mon Sep 18, 2000 2:37 pm

Maybe these are already fixed/found, but I'll include these here anyway....

-Dutch, Belgian bunkers are halftracks (?)

-Japanese Armored Boat -- Machineguns have mortar (?) sound.

-Coastal gun with 8" gun (Japan) -- wrong unit class
Was 'Lend lease tank' when it should be 'Turret tank destroyer' (?)

-British coastal guns -- Available December 1949 to 1949 -- Wrong unit class as well?

Peregrine Falcon · Post by **Peregrine Falcon** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 12:07 am

Ok, I have been testing some things in 4.0 and here is something that I found

These new glorius inventions - Turreted Coastal Guns are not working as they should...

It seems that whole underlying MOUNTING can turn as well.

(......by right clicking enemy units)

Most likely same problem as with caves and ordinary coastal guns

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 12:40 am

The point values are undergoing another scrubbing - but its a near impossible task to get every effect relative to every other one to be in a respective ratio...too many variables!

Nikademus · Post by **Nikademus** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 3:15 am

dont know if this is a bug or intentional but i noticed that if are trying to keep a lock on a high priority target, and deny all OP targeting requests, the unit will still have lost its lock on by next turn, its 'target' indicator will show the last unit it had had a potential OP shot at.

also, OP fire ops can change a disabled vehicle's facing.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 6:11 am

Paul and Team Matrix, this version 4 is great
and I hope coments aren't being too picky!
1) In the USMC vehicles, in the CS -LVT Plt
the LVT(A)4 (75mm gun version)is missing.
The LVT(A)4 is in the encyclopedia, and
the only way to buy it is to switch
vehicles in the editor.
2) Also the Army used the LVT(A)4 in their
amtank units. This is not reflected in
the Army oob.
3) The barge carrier trucks do not represent
barge carriers. They look more like WWI
trucks vs the barge carriers in the other
SP & SPW@W games.
4) The gun boats also look just like regular
landing craft.
5) This might be too late/beyond the scope
of this game, but could a large rail-gun
be incorperated? (just a tought).
6) Some of the medium US trucks showed a two
axle truck instead of the 6x6 deuce and a
half.
Like I said earlier, this is an awsome game
and I hope I'm not too picky.
Thanks,
Semper Fi
Randy

renwor · Post by **renwor** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 5:49 pm

Couple of remarks :
1.) Looks like the MG cult is still there. Why else would 0.5cal AAMG cost more than 20mm AAgun ???
2.) In Czech OOB there is unwelcome adition "PZ-3T-S 739". It's obviously captured Somua S-35. To my knowledge it was never not only used, but even present in the area. Could person responsible for the addition elaborate more about it? It wasn't in 2.3 OOBs, I didn't add it, it's not mentioned in adjoining .txt files.
Also some quite weird units:
051 ME 262-2a (makes sense, after 45) but it's fort armed with mortar and Enfield rifle

052 Arado 234B-2 no, no, no really

Just no!

Originally posted by Warhorse:
Those German vehicles were moved to Czechoslovakia, unfortunately seems the wrong oob was sent out!! I fixed it, and sent to Paul, should be up soon?

Ok, this may explain part of weird units. But then avail. dates should be different. 49/49 fir the extra stuff.
Also , maybe Me262 is in czech units but with weaponery nums from german weapons list?

3.) Schwartzlose HMG has wrong generic picture throughout OOBs. It's Hotkiss I guess. The Vickers one would be more apropriate. At least it's watercooled also. (I could not resist in this one

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Aw, by the way

that Czech AT guns were renamed "PUV" which is abreviation of "Against assault vehicles" I didn't dare!

4.) Plane relative prices:
two planes:
A-100 120kgx2 50kgx3 50kgx3 cost 83
Ab-100 120kgx6 cost 70
planes are absolutely IDENTICALL in all else (exept radiocode 90/91)

Do you really think 4x120kg is much less than 6x50kg in bombload?

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Tue Sep 19, 2000 7:24 pm

The czech OOB is used as an "overflow" for some German things - but it wasn't quite done yet...

there will always be some strange things in the point assignments.

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Wed Sep 20, 2000 3:56 am

Re: the names being wrong nationality in the Phillippines OOB, I have a list of Non-Hispanic and Filipino Chinese names that I would be willing to e-mail anyone doing the editing.

troopie

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Pamwe Chete

amatteucci · Post by **amatteucci** » Wed Sep 20, 2000 11:33 am

The Soviet OOB still contains the Bazooka team. Is there some new historical evidence? Shouldn't it be replaced by an RPG team armed with captured Panzerfaust rockets?
Additionally the Guards Tank platoon should be composed of 3 medium tanks and not 5.

The picture of the KV-1S is wrong.
The picture of the Volksgrenadier infantry actually shows a Volkssturm unit...

Amedeo

Grisha · Post by **Grisha** » Wed Sep 20, 2000 12:31 pm

I have one OOB suggestion for the Soviets, a very little one. It is for the razvedchiki, or 'reconnaissance men'. They were highly skilled group of soldiers that were trained in deep reconnaissance. The razvedchiki really become an elite group by 1943. My suggestion is to add the following under the formation 'Razvedchiki':

Razvedchiki Patrols - same as recon patrols except that formation is elite, and primary weapon is MP39/40.
Razvedchiki Teams - same as scout teams except that formation is elite, and primary weapon is MP39/40.

The reason they use MP39/40s was probably, because it was lighter, and the sound of the gunfire would confuse Germans in the area if the razvedchiki have to engage.

JTV · Post by **JTV** » Wed Sep 20, 2000 2:16 pm

Originally posted by Mac:
Ok, sounds fine, but with kill rating of ONE! The sniper would do better with a regular rifle. For a 20mm rifle with HE-ammo that sounds a bit off .

HE-kill rating of it is only one? I have to
fix that. Thanks for letting me know.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Thu Sep 21, 2000 8:22 am

Another note about the amtracs. The pictures
in the encyclopedia show an LVT-2 in the spot that is listed for the LVT(A)-1 (the
37mm turreted gun version). These pictures were correct in SPW@W 2 and 3b.
Thanks
Semper Fi
Randy

Grisha · Post by **Grisha** » Thu Sep 21, 2000 10:23 am

In the encyclopedia, the picture for the offboard 122mm FH Battalion is a P-51D.