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RE: Karachi in ruins...
Well - if he's going to sit where he is then I agree, ignore him, but if he comes forward to your rail network with just that lot, 1 retreat will allow you to pursue and expel him with just a token force. Bombers can't cover for such an inadequate force.
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Yakface
Well - if he's going to sit where he is then I agree, ignore him, but if he comes forward to your rail network with just that lot, 1 retreat will allow you to pursue and expel him with just a token force. Bombers can't cover for such an inadequate force.
Yes, we'll see. I however have sent 2 units to San Fernando...just in case...
Look at the screenshot that follows....680 bombers at Bombay!!!!![X(][X(][X(][X(][X(]

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RE: Karachi in ruins...
Hum
At least does your adversary know that Aden is off-limit for him?
At least does your adversary know that Aden is off-limit for him?
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
Hum
At least does your adversary know that Aden is off-limit for him?
He told me he won't attack Aden nor Panama...so yes, Aden is safe.
Oh God, how much i'd like to save Karachi...would be simply awesome to finally stop the Japs...i'm looking forward to see the odds of the first assault...
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
If you aren't going for manilla, any chance of gathering about 20-30 subs and taking some small US troops into Manilla to beef the place up a bit?
Level 9 with urban will be a tough nut to crack, every 10 AS you can add, means he has to bring like 100 AS more.
Level 9 with urban will be a tough nut to crack, every 10 AS you can add, means he has to bring like 100 AS more.
RE: Karachi in ruins...
He must have some nasty overstacking penalties at Bombay. How nice it would be to nuke this place with some BBs
Not possible at the moment unfortunately.

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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Elladan
He must have some nasty overstacking penalties at Bombay. How nice it would be to nuke this place with some BBsNot possible at the moment unfortunately.
he should break his fingers when using the keyboard for all his statements about how penalized the Japanese are in the game and just what a great player he is... [8|]

and then he puts something like 600-900 aircraft on an airfield where a max of 250 would fit... a hundred absurd Japanese biased house rules... he´s the best WITP player in the universe... all Allied players are a$$holes... and then he puts 500 more aircraft at a place that can be stationed there...
he should have his fingers broken....

sorry General!
RE: Karachi in ruins...
Well, Trollelite definitely has some problems with himself. On the other hand, with HRs so stacked against the Allies so sweeter the victory will be
And you have, General, quite a nice staff gathered here, that would take great joy seeing a certain arrogant ass kicked royally I'm sure 
So for Victory!


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RE: Karachi in ruins...
he should break his fingers when using the keyboard for all his statements about how penalized the Japanese are in the game and just what a great player he is... [8|]
and then he puts something like 600-900 aircraft on an airfield where a max of 250 would fit... a hundred absurd Japanese biased house rules... he´s the best WITP player in the universe... all Allied players are a$$holes... and then he puts 500 more aircraft at a place that can be stationed there...
he should have his fingers broken....
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Agreed. I don't PBEM but I know enough about it to make two observations:
1) His HR's are FUBAR.
2) Once you start giveing him the ol' BOHICA there's not a chance he will show the sportmanship and class you have.
BTW, this is an outstanding AAR and I have enjoyed reading it immensely.
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
saving precious supplies for the final stand when he will decide to come back
Make sure you're marching your Command HQ back and forth between Manila and Bataan continuously. That way it will pull the supplies in from the outlying bases and keep it in allied hands longer. Once you've got 25k+ at the three bases (Manila, Bataan and Clark) marching back and forth won't help anymore I'm afraid, but get as much supply in now as you can.
Jim
RE: Karachi in ruins...
No way you may organise a massive strike from Karachi against Bombay GH?
RE: Karachi in ruins...
I don't think it will do much with all those Zeros certainly on CAP. What might help would be to base some 4Es at Aden and stage them for raid attack from Karachi when situation allows. Then return to Aden next turn. Of course you would need a working airfield which may prove to be a problem soon.
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
I'm a bit late with the reports. I'll try to summerize the last 3 turns which have not been that interesting however...
BTW thanks guys for all your support!
Fishbed, no i cannot do anything from Karachi...will explain later why
So let's start:
LUZON:
As i said before he's well aware of the Trick..he has laready landed at Luzon 17000 men for 12 units, 90 fighters (most of which are zeros) and 90 more recon and float planes...he wants clearly to start to reduce Manila's ability to hurt his routes...
Jim: i've already stockpilled all the supplies at Clark and Manila, but the main force, with the HQs remains at Manila where i have 26k supplies and nearly 8 forts...soon Manila will be closed, both the sub-port and the Airfield...
CHINA:
He's advancing towards Changsha but not that fast...i'll probably manage to mass there 2000 AVs before he arrives. However the skies are full of his bombers that are hitting everything i have in China (bases, supplies, troops...). Will be a pain...
INDIA:
He's buiilding very fast Aldemabad and Jaluit. I bet in one week they'll both be level 4 AF. Anyway the AirBalls say that i'm already toasted...i cannot reach Bombay with my fighters from Karachi Fishbed and with no escorts my light british bombers will be simply chewed!
He's now advancing with BBs and CVs from Bombay toKarachi...probably we'll see a combined strike with BBs, bombers from Bombay, Jaluit and Ahdemabad and a KB strike...Karachi is simply doomed! with 180 fighters there plus 200 bombers the air-ball says -300!!!!!!!!! [:o]
PACIFIC:
i've been very unlucky...for 3 days in a row 3 of my subs hit mines at Truk and one more got sunk by Vals in those damned waters...[:@]...for the rest we're sending back most of the transports from the Marshalls to PH and Panama. Will have to bring there more troops, more supplies and more of everything!
We've also started the air-training program against Kwalajein.
Eniwetok is now pretty well defended! Recon says he has 190 fighters at Truk now and some 200 bombers...but he still doesn't dare to send his betties against my ships at Eniwetok
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/07/42
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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Truk (66,78)
Allied Ships
SS Grampus, Mine hits 1, on fire[:@]
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,48
My bombers from Manila try to interdict his landing at Luzon...with 15 losses i cannot say that this day was the best one for the Manila Air Force..[:o]
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Jinbu Maru
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Day Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Kokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-26B Marauder x 6
B-17D Fortress x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Seisho Maru, Bomb hits 1
AK Shinsho Maru
AK Yamabato Maru
AP Toko Maru
AK Glasgow Maru
AK Naples Maru
Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Hankow Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AK Meisan Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 46,48
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AK Nissen Maru #3
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Day Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 45,48
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 51
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-26B Marauder x 3
B-17D Fortress x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 11 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 5 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Toko Maru
AK Kehi Maru
AK Seisho Maru
AK Naples Maru
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/08/42
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Naval bombardment of Kwajalein, at 81,84 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
40 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Mississippi, Shell hits 10
BB New Mexico, Shell hits 4
BB Tennessee
BB California
BB Arizona, Shell hits 1
BB Oklahoma
BB West Virginia
Japanese ground losses:
1701 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2
With these missions my BBs really got some nice experience at night![;)] And Kwajalein remain suppressed!
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Sub attack at 52,97
Japanese Ships
SS I-168
Allied Ships
AS Holland, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
This AS was transfering to Darwin in order to start the sub campaign from there...i doubt it will make it through...[:o]
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/09/42
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TF 1003 encounters mine field at Truk (66,78)
Allied Ships
SS S-18, Mine hits 1, on fire[:@]
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Ground combat at Rawalpindi
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 2800 troops, 0 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 77
Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Japanese max assault: 144 - adjusted assault: 146
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 146 to 1 (fort level 1)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Rawalpindi base !!!
Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Ok, now his conquest of India is almost completed...[:o]
As always when i'll got back home i'll make some screenshots... With the BBs advancing towards Karachi i really need a miracle to keep the base active and operative...my subs are there, hoping for a lucky shot...but i do not have that many hopes...
In Luzon his intent isn't to crush me. not now. He simply wants to close my AF and my Port and force me to bring away my planes and my subs...
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Elladan
I don't think it will do much with all those Zeros certainly on CAP. What might help would be to base some 4Es at Aden and stage them for raid attack from Karachi when situation allows. Then return to Aden next turn. Of course you would need a working airfield which may prove to be a problem soon.
Forget it. I have only 12 B-17s at Karachi. Nothing more. and, as you said, my AFs in India (Malir and Karachi) will be operative only for the next few hours...then it will all dead. I'll try to hurt the KB...in one last shot...then i'll move everything that can be moved to Aden (So to say the Blenheims ) and leave Karachi to its destiny...
RE: Karachi in ruins...
I meant in the future. You will have more B-17s and B-24s and there might be an occasional thunderstorm season allowing you to repair enough damage. If such situation arises a surprise raid on overstacked base may catch him off-guard and destroy lots of planes. Not to say about amount of irritation it would cause for your opponent - priceless 
Of course Karachi must first withstand his assaults for that long. But I bet you will be positively surprised with this fortress.

Of course Karachi must first withstand his assaults for that long. But I bet you will be positively surprised with this fortress.
RE: Karachi in ruins...
Well I dunno - the moment KB leaves, CAP will be assured by Karachi land-based air forces.
How many of those 80+ fighters are expected to actually take off from a size 5 airfield with nearly a thousand planes on it? Does anyone know how to calculate that
How many of those 80+ fighters are expected to actually take off from a size 5 airfield with nearly a thousand planes on it? Does anyone know how to calculate that
RE: Karachi in ruins...
I would say a quarter of the total amount. Just as a rule of thumb.
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RE: Karachi in ruins...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/10/42
It doesn't have to took off from Bombay! He has Ademadabad and Jaipur which are closer...and today we had the proove of it!
25 P-40s lost over Karachi and Manila in A2A combats, against only 6 Oscars...[:o] My planes were flown by my best experienced crews...65 exp of average...no match for the zeros!
He started to sweep Karachi in the morning. I had moved all my planes to Malir but a bunch of my pilots decided however to defend the Indian Capital, probably because they have their bitches there and they decided to not follow my orders and got clobbered by the zeros...[:@]
At the same time the KB is advancing with the BBs...tomorrow the weather is forecasted as stormy...so i kept my planes at Malir...simply no reasons to stay at Karachi to die from NUKE-BBs while they cannot fly back because of the clouds...
Then in the afternoon 70 fighters sweept manila. Again bad results...the days of Manila are gone. Evacuation is ordered towards China...without my fighter force i cannot keep my bombers there...he has brought 17 units at Luzon!!! He wants clearly to build up bases for his bombers to start reducing Manila base...oh well, sooner or later this would have happened...
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Sub attack at 15,1 *this ship was going back to Aden from Karachi...no way to defend those waters from his sub groups...*[:@]
Japanese Ships
SS I-153
Allied Ships
AP Kanimbla, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 11 destroyed[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 11 destroyed[:o][:o][:(]
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Sub attack at 22,46 *Malacca straight*
Japanese Ships
AK Kaisho Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PG Kamitsu Maru
Allied Ships
SS Thresher
The only good news of the day[:o]
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Ground combat at Aparri *para-drop*[>:]
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1624 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 42 - adjusted assault: 23
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!
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Ground combat at Kiukiang *we moved a unit to Kiukiang from Nanchang...he has 2 full divisions there!!! *[:@][:o][:-]
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1141 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36
Defending force 73625 troops, 413 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1197
Allied max assault: 22 - adjusted assault: 0
Japanese max defense: 1199 - adjusted defense: 10294
Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Allied ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

It doesn't have to took off from Bombay! He has Ademadabad and Jaipur which are closer...and today we had the proove of it!
25 P-40s lost over Karachi and Manila in A2A combats, against only 6 Oscars...[:o] My planes were flown by my best experienced crews...65 exp of average...no match for the zeros!
He started to sweep Karachi in the morning. I had moved all my planes to Malir but a bunch of my pilots decided however to defend the Indian Capital, probably because they have their bitches there and they decided to not follow my orders and got clobbered by the zeros...[:@]
At the same time the KB is advancing with the BBs...tomorrow the weather is forecasted as stormy...so i kept my planes at Malir...simply no reasons to stay at Karachi to die from NUKE-BBs while they cannot fly back because of the clouds...
Then in the afternoon 70 fighters sweept manila. Again bad results...the days of Manila are gone. Evacuation is ordered towards China...without my fighter force i cannot keep my bombers there...he has brought 17 units at Luzon!!! He wants clearly to build up bases for his bombers to start reducing Manila base...oh well, sooner or later this would have happened...
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Sub attack at 15,1 *this ship was going back to Aden from Karachi...no way to defend those waters from his sub groups...*[:@]
Japanese Ships
SS I-153
Allied Ships
AP Kanimbla, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 11 destroyed[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 11 destroyed[:o][:o][:(]
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Sub attack at 22,46 *Malacca straight*
Japanese Ships
AK Kaisho Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PG Kamitsu Maru
Allied Ships
SS Thresher
The only good news of the day[:o]
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Ground combat at Aparri *para-drop*[>:]
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 1624 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
Japanese max assault: 42 - adjusted assault: 23
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Japanese assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!
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Ground combat at Kiukiang *we moved a unit to Kiukiang from Nanchang...he has 2 full divisions there!!! *[:@][:o][:-]
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 1141 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36
Defending force 73625 troops, 413 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1197
Allied max assault: 22 - adjusted assault: 0
Japanese max defense: 1199 - adjusted defense: 10294
Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
Allied ground losses:
278 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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RE: Karachi in ruins...
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
Well I dunno - the moment KB leaves, CAP will be assured by Karachi land-based air forces.
He can master, even without KB, hundreds of fighters and bombers. Litterally.
I only have P-40s and Hurricanes there, whose pools are already empty. I produce 40 of each model per month. Simpy not enough.
He can produce easily 400 zeros/oscars per month and the zeros are superior to my frames.
The Air-Battle of Karachi is already lost.
I just have to keep on living for the longer possible...every day i survive is a day gained, but do not expect any victory