EHRENBUCH UNSERE ARMEE U. MARINE == Trollelite (J) vs. Hoepner(A)

[trollelite]

Seems I really rouse a little of fury from those gentlemen.[:D]  OK,OK, I would stop to do that anymore and try to be a good boy henceforth...[;)]

Well, even Jap side is weak, that is obviously a bad dice. If only one thing could be called bad luck in this game, it is magazine explosion. And get heavy cruiser hit by two 9.2 inch CD gun are simply unacceptable. They are not that good.

And Akagi? No, its Kaga. The first 500lb bomb hit Kaga caused an ammo explosion, so I suspect this ship is out of action since then. It's... let's say Kaga is a weak ship, but still ammo explosion is not frequent. Well, in next turn GH get a bad dice two as his Saratoga get a fuel explosion.

This aar is really set for JFB, and supposed not for AFB's taste. And I am not expecting any AFB enter here, either. They have a gather point in GHs AAR, he takes allies, his aar is supposed to be read by them.  I did do another AAR in my native language in another forum. This is why I cannot write this one as detailed as GHs, for lack of time. Still, if you ever have any question about this game, I would glad to reply them.

Well, well, I am no boy anymore.[;)] How I hope I would be able to play this when i am still a boy and has that much time. I get no angry from all those reaction, simply some... amusement. And now seems I arouse some too much emotions... OK, from now on I talk only about technical problems and mainly about our game, nothing others.

[FeurerKrieg]

Well said Fish. As you predicted in your post, I don't have anything nice to say about this guy.

So I'll stop talking.

[Fishbed]

And get heavy cruiser hit by two 9.2 inch CD gun are simply unacceptable. They are not that good.

So how good are they supposed to be? Karachi doesn't exactly look like a little beach with a few houses and a couple trees...

And Akagi? No, its Kaga. The first 500lb bomb hit Kaga caused an ammo explosion, so I suspect this ship is out of action since then. It's... let's say Kaga is a weak ship, but still ammo explosion is not frequent.

I was talking about the real Akagi [;)]
Well I didn't especially mentionned Akagi because of the Ammo storage explosion, but because the only bomb that managed to hit the girl actually went to the very place it had the best chances to penetrate and wreak havoc... So in game terms that's what you call a very bad dice roll.
Be happy Kaga is still afloat after that. Akagi never had that chance. You're complaining about an ammo storage explosion - then what woud you have said if that bomb had actually killed your ship, just like it killed Akagi?

Well, in next turn GH get a bad dice two as his Saratoga get a fuel explosion.

No kidding!

Btw, I still wonder how I should answer your PMs...

[trollelite]

Those 9.2 inch guns are not expected to be very dangerous, as old 8 inch gun in stock. I have never seen any allies ship, save for destroyers, lost to CD gun, it's simply ridiculous under this game engine.

As Akagi, I think she was confirmed to be hit by at least 3 1000lbs, and say those attacking bombers waiting to take off on her deck! My Kaga is mostly like to have an empty deck... And Taiyo's first hit caused ammo explosion, too. Really a bad turn.   

[trollelite]

From British Burma Army:

13th India Brigade: destroyed

2nd Burma Rifle Brigade: largely destroyed

1st Burma Brigade: Isolated in eastern Bengal

1st Burma Rifle Brigade and 2nd Burma Brigade: trapped in Calcutta

The position of 16th India Brigade and Burma Frontier Force is still unknown. I suspect at least one of them is still in southern Burma. Another perhaps in Mandalay. The Burma Frontier Force, however, due to very low moral and exp, is likely to run if faced with determined attack.[:D]

[Fishbed]

As Akagi, I think she was confirmed to be hit by at least 3 1000lbs,

Nope she wasn't...

and say those attacking bombers waiting to take off on her deck!

And they weren't either [;)]
Check your sources boss [;)]

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: trollelite

Those 9.2 inch guns are not expected to be very dangerous

A British 9.2 inch gun in action. The gun should however not be expected to be dangerous.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: trollelite

Those 9.2 inch guns are not expected to be very dangerous

A British 9.2 inch gun in action. The gun should however not be expected to be dangerous.[/i]

[:D][:D]

[vonCommander]

Hi! I`ve read that you are also posting an AAR in your native language. Could you make a link to this AAR?

vonCom

[darken92]

Just to fly in the face of the current readers I am going to say, well done.  It is certainly not my style of game, but so far you are doing well.
 
Congratulations.

[bobogoboom]

thanks trollelite

[mdiehl]

If I understand your observation, it is that you think it unlikely that a small number of hits would necessarily find the critical point on a cruiser. I suppose that is a fair point. But in the real event that was WW2, that sort of thing happened on numerous occasions. HMS Hood. Then Bismarck. USS Arizona. Possibly in the demise of IJN Yamato. And if you press in close to shore batteries, they can (and should if they're trained as naval cost defense) hit ships engaging in shore bombardment.

And BTW the Japanese aircraft carriers at Midway did not have their decks covered with fueld a.c. waiting to take off. Japanese CVs were vulnerable compared to either USN or RN CVs.

[bobogoboom]

why do you think the japs didn't take on the shore batteries at singapore or manilla. and why do you think the americans skipped truck.

[Rapunzel]

Good game from you and GH! It is very interesting to follow both of you. I even consider an assault of india in my next pbem

[trollelite]

1942, Mar, 17

ASW attack at 20,3

Japanese Ships
DD Namikaze
DD Hokaze
DD Nokaze

Allied Ships
SS KXVII

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Sub attack at 14,1

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
AP Lancashire

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Sub attack near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Uzuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sazanami
DD Akebono
DD Asagiri
DD Akatsuki
DD Harusame
DD Arare
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
DD Yukikaze
DD Akigumo

Allied Ships
SS KXVII, hits 2

ASW attack near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese Ships
DD Sazanami
DD Akebono
DD Asagiri
DD Akatsuki
DD Harusame
DD Arare
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
DD Yukikaze
DD Akigumo

Allied Ships
SS KXVII, hits 1

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Sub attack at 20,6

Japanese Ships
BB Ise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Murakumo
DD Yugure
DD Nenohi
DD Hatsuharu
DD Kawakaze
DD Yamagumo

Allied Ships
SS O20

Sub attack at 20,6

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Sazanami
DD Akebono
DD Asagiri
DD Akatsuki
DD Harusame
DD Arare
DD Minegumo
DD Natsugumo
DD Yukikaze
DD Akigumo

Allied Ships
SS O20, hits 3

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Sub attack at 14,1

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
AP Warwick Castle


More disappointment.

After very disappointing result of some event yesterday this obviously would not improve my mood. I hope you could understand I sometimes do need some complains to balance this. His subs sink our warships with impunity, and those warships are nothing more than destroyers assagined to asw group themselves. And ours cannot even hope to hit unescorted AP. I remember our submarine can only hit one time out of 2 chances with unescorted ships. So allies torpedo dud rate is largely offset, because a torpeodo misses is no better than dud itself.

Think how my submarine would fare if met with so many allies dd, it most likely turn to be end of that SS.

[Capt Henry_MatrixForum]

I can certainly see where it's frustrating to ASW against allied subs. I find the U.S S-boats and the British and Dutch subs to be the toughest opponents early in the war as they aren't carrying the torpedoes with the high dud rate. I suspect that will be an ongoing problem for naval support of a drive on Karachi. There aren't many places for your ships to be as you're moving against a fixed point, so GH can concentrate subs against you. At least in a couple of instances thes subs attacked your ASW task froces instead of hitting BBs every time.

With regard to Allied ASW being superior to Japanese, I think there is considerable evidence that allied asw was actually superior to the Japanese. Even if we assume equal ability to hunt subs, allied destroyers have double to quadruple the anti-sub weaponry. Have you tried using carrier air assets on ASW patrol? The KB should have a high skill level to use against subs. Could you reserve the heavy carriers for anti-ship work in case the Royal Navy shows up and use the light carriers for CAP and ASW? You should be also to keep your carriers just out of range of Karachi while still covering a large area.

[Fishbed]

(sorry - basically same stuff as Capt Henry)

But by the way, is sub doctrina on or off?

[trollelite]

Well, don't misunderstand me, while I certainly don't like this result, I do accept the rule of game and history, just like to whine somewhat...[:D]

While his liners escape unscathed is disappointing, we do run a high risk as sending damaged battleships to bombardment. However, its a bad idea to let an already paralyzed Karachi have chance to recover.

After some careless and bad turns the situation is now considered to be again under control. I made some mistakes, and GH, too. Anyway, his sand is running out, not only in one place, but in multiple theaters.  His error largely offset my careless movement. We shall see if our force could punish his miscalculation swiftly.

[trollelite]

KB ASW, yeah, we tried that. We use about 500 aircrafts to do that, for one week, and many allies subs is not far away, some in the same hex, and the farest is 3 hexes away. However, none is hit. Actually we did quite well against my former allies opponent. But that time it operated in southern Pacific, with good weather. And this time we met almost continous T storm. My aircrafts do find sub many times, however none hit is reported. Change setting from asw mission to naval search and change back, nothing helps.[:@] D3A, B5N, H8K and G4M, and of course the infamous sallys, it seems none could pose any threat to sub in T storm. But how could those damned sub so easily find our ships in a hex 60x60 miles...

[Capt Henry_MatrixForum]

Do you recall what alititude you were operating at? There has been some discussion over the years regarding optimal altitude for ASW and Naval Search missions. My recollection is that ASW was 1,000 feet and Search was 6,000. There has also been discussion on which mission works better. I'm sure someone with better recall than mine can provide better information. ASW is also a great way to build up pilot experience (at least until AE comes out).