BIG BROTHER & 666 come closer to one another

[KG Erwin]

The state of West Virginia's tax dept has ceased using social security numbers as prime identifiers for taxpayers. We have a new system that assigns separate account numbers for each individual or business, and they are different for each type of tax.

We long ago stopped printing SSNs on mailing labels, following the IRS' lead.

Now, for the more paranoid amongst you, if you ever filed a tax return here in WV, I can find out a lot of stuff about you. That's why, as a condition of employment, we all sign confidentality agreements.

So, yeah, I am part of what most people call "them" or "they". Contrary to what you might believe, the actual workers are trustworthy and honest people. I can't speak for our governmental leaders.

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

In an effort to tighten homeland security this is gonna happen Say goodbye to freedom Haha us old farts don't have to do it until 2017.

It's not quite 666 stuff yet (the microchip in your hand or wrist), but, it's getting there. The one thing I like about it though is it should really help find those illegal aliens crossing the border. But, I'm still opposed to anything that just makes us yet another number in the system.

This kind of thing is already happening here to professional truck drivers. When I renew my license this year I must first get fingerprinted and pass a background check. ( I have to pay $100.00 out of pocket for the privileage)
Required because I drive hazardous materials around.

[Zap]

Ursa Maior Have you been to Taize? I went there in the 80ties, Just to see what it was about.

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
It is clear you have an unwarranted fear of the government. That is what I got from your context. If the government is so evil why live here?

Nah, this is just one of the areas in which you only see what you want to see...as already pointed out, "It seems, that you're more concerned with justifying what you want to think than an actual reason to think it."

Well you have already admitted you hate the Government and I see no reason to expect you to cowboy up and admit that what you stated was wrong. You have your own agenda of hate and I have a game to watch.

[Ike99]

No, the point is that the government will not enforce the current laws, utilize current ID methods, but they still want another method to acquire information about the actual law abiding citizens. This is an old government game, come up with what seems to be a real problem to allow further erosion of rights.

I agree with Maestro 100% here. Your new ID law has nothing to do with stopping illegal immigration because in truth they don´t want it stopped. They have enough right now they could stop it but everyone below Texas knows they don´t want it stopped.

I know quite a few people who have went into the USA or stayed there illegaly. With the millions upon millions of ¨illegals¨ in the USA right now I´d say everyone from Latin America does, obviously.

I even know two college grads who crossed the USA/Mexican border ¨illegal¨ as a youth adventure. Stayed and worked in Texas for 9 months then crossed back and came home.

Yes your politians say ¨border security! border security!¨ but there is no border security. [:D]

Reason is...they don´t want any border security. I´m not even sure really if there is a border anymore between USA/Mexico. Is there?

By there own admission 12,000 undocumented people cross the border every day. But as far as this ID thing being to stop border crossing I agree with Maestro 100%.

If they won´t enforce the laws or the so called ¨border¨ now, what use is a new law? [:D]

No, this law is not for us muchachos, this is directed against you. [;)]

[Ursa MAior]

I have not been to the actual town, but participated in 2-3 ocumenical (sp?) youth meetings organized by that community. They are among my best experiences in life. Both spiritual and fun.

[ravinhood]

This is one of those instances where the wording changes. Sacrifice the manys privacy for the lives of the few who might die to some form of terrorism. Fortunately one can still work outside of the system. But, I'm just thinking of the day when there is no money to pass hands and only credits will be used and those credits checked before passing from one hand to another and if both do not have data identifications then the credits cannot pass and thus the out of the system handyperson who can do odd jobs now for cash out of the system will eventually not be able to survive out of the system unless they resort to backwoods days of living totally off the land and then even that will be monitored like game wargens and such as we have today. I just never will support more ways to monitor my lifestyle or who I am. But, I only have a few years left on this silly mad mad mad mad mad world anyways so it's not something to really worry about for me because in 2017 I'll be 61 years old and that's when one should really stop worrying about anything an enjoy the last few years of your life. As I said the governments can't compete against death. lol

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

PEOPLE ON MY IGNORE LIST/GREEN DOTTED JUST SO YAH KNOW!

1)Terminus 3)Sarge
2)Judge Dredd 4)Orange

Why is it you feel the need to let members your are ignoring know you are in-fact ignoring them .

That’s right , my bad , you cant see my reply [&:]

[jnier]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
This is one of those instances where the wording changes. Sacrifice the manys privacy for the lives of the few who might die to some form of terrorism. Fortunately one can still work outside of the system. But, I'm just thinking of the day when there is no money to pass hands and only credits will be used and those credits checked before passing from one hand to another and if both do not have data identifications then the credits cannot pass and thus the out of the system handyperson who can do odd jobs now for cash out of the system will eventually not be able to survive out of the system unless they resort to backwoods days of living totally off the land and then even that will be monitored like game wargens and such as we have today. I just never will support more ways to monitor my lifestyle or who I am. But, I only have a few years left on this silly mad mad mad mad mad world anyways so it's not something to really worry about for me because in 2017 I'll be 61 years old and that's when one should really stop worrying about anything an enjoy the last few years of your life. As I said the governments can't compete against death. lol

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PEOPLE ON MY IGNORE LIST/GREEN DOTTED JUST SO YAH KNOW!

1)Terminus 3)Sarge
2)Judge Dredd 4)Orange

The ignore feature on message boards is the most absurd thing I've ever seen. Only reading the posts of people who agree with you, and deliberately ignoring the posts of those who disagree with you is pretty much the opposite of the message boards should be about.

[ravinhood]

ORIGINAL: jnier

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
This is one of those instances where the wording changes. Sacrifice the manys privacy for the lives of the few who might die to some form of terrorism. Fortunately one can still work outside of the system. But, I'm just thinking of the day when there is no money to pass hands and only credits will be used and those credits checked before passing from one hand to another and if both do not have data identifications then the credits cannot pass and thus the out of the system handyperson who can do odd jobs now for cash out of the system will eventually not be able to survive out of the system unless they resort to backwoods days of living totally off the land and then even that will be monitored like game wargens and such as we have today. I just never will support more ways to monitor my lifestyle or who I am. But, I only have a few years left on this silly mad mad mad mad mad world anyways so it's not something to really worry about for me because in 2017 I'll be 61 years old and that's when one should really stop worrying about anything an enjoy the last few years of your life. As I said the governments can't compete against death. lol

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PEOPLE ON MY IGNORE LIST/GREEN DOTTED JUST SO YAH KNOW!

1)Terminus 3)Sarge
2)Judge Dredd 4)Orange

The ignore feature on message boards is the most absurd thing I've ever seen. Only reading the posts of people who agree with you, and deliberately ignoring the posts of those who disagree with you is pretty much the opposite of the message boards should be about.

Hahah welcome to the green dot then IGMO. hahah

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Hahah welcome to the green dot then IGMO. hahah

That’s 5 in a 24 hr period , lets shoot for a even dz over the weekend

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: ORANGE

Well you have already admitted you hate the Government and I see no reason to expect you to cowboy up and admit that what you stated was wrong. You have your own agenda of hate and I have a game to watch.

Admitted? I didn't admit anything. I stated it clearly and without reservation. What I didn't do is state that I fear the government. That was again, a strawman of your own making. It's just another example of you seeing only what you want to see.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

The state of West Virginia's tax dept has ceased using social security numbers as prime identifiers for taxpayers. We have a new system that assigns separate account numbers for each individual or business, and they are different for each type of tax.

We long ago stopped printing SSNs on mailing labels, following the IRS' lead.

Now, for the more paranoid amongst you, if you ever filed a tax return here in WV, I can find out a lot of stuff about you. That's why, as a condition of employment, we all sign confidentality agreements.

So, yeah, I am part of what most people call "them" or "they". Contrary to what you might believe, the actual workers are trustworthy and honest people. I can't speak for our governmental leaders.

Here in Texas, and for some time now, they require you stating your SSN to the DMV. If you do not have it memorized (and it's not already in their database), you have to give them physical proof of that number, which of course means some government form such as an SSN card.

Oh, they were lovely enough to take my thumbprint all over again too.

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro
I'm am simply pointing out the stupidity of giving any additional power to a government that will not perform its duties which it already has more than enough authority to carry out. Dummy's and cowards will bend over for them tail the day they die-that's how they are, right?

Well if you are not a dummy or a coward what are you doing about this?

You complain that they are not doing anything then when they try to do something about it you complain about that too. I guess as long as you are complaining you are not a dummy or coward right?

What power does a national ID card give the Government?

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
I do not think that the US is following Hungary and in my small minded way I would much rather have Hispanics coming illegally into my country than godless communist hoards who had religion beaten out of them for 40+ years.

I find I have more in common with our Hispanic immigrants who like to work than I do with people who lived in a socialist system that rewarded the monkey who pushed the right button and lacks morals.

Thanks for sharing your views with me.
There are a few points in which you are wrong so please let me take the chance to clarify it.

1. Not everybody in a communist state was communist. In fact it was seen as a kind of privilege (and indeed the party members had more rights than averge citizens). Here we had less than 10% of the population was party member and onyl half of it really atheist. [;)]
We had worse statistics here than in Poland where some 90% of the population was religious even under the commies. I remember participating in the Taize youth meeting in Wroclaw in 1998 (IIRC) I have seen not a single policeman onyl traffic controllers.

2. Communism is dead since some 20+ yrs since after 1986 we were living in a state controlled capitalism.

3. Due to the commies the civil society is powerless, so what I meant that zaibatsus ie mega corporations play a much higher role here than in other western countries. And it looks like the future heads in htis way. The central gvot so despised by most of you is becoming more and more powerless and these zaibatsus take over its place.
In eastern europe it will take some 10+ yrs before they consume the politicians, in other western countries it will be some 15+20 yrs.

Hello Ursa MAior,

First I apologize for painting everyone in former communist countries with such a broad stroke. You are correct to point out that many people not only did not support these governments but even resisted them.

I understand Poles are doing very well in the UK where a lot have emigrated to and I hope the Polish economy keeps growing. My worries are with the organized crime rings in the countries. I myself am not an overly religious man but I appreciate the morals that religion teaches children. It seems that there is a large minority in the former communist countries that are ruthless and lacking in similar values to my own. I find that in general I share more in common with the Hispanic immigrants in my country than those from Eastern Europe.

I have a personal prejudice against Eastern Europeans because I rightly or wrongly think they are more likely to try to milk the system and not contribute.

Best of luck. [:)]

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

ORIGINAL: ORANGE

Well you have already admitted you hate the Government and I see no reason to expect you to cowboy up and admit that what you stated was wrong. You have your own agenda of hate and I have a game to watch.

Admitted? I didn't admit anything. I stated it clearly and without reservation. What I didn't do is state that I fear the government. That was again, a strawman of your own making. It's just another example of you seeing only what you want to see.

If you hate it why not leave? [&:]

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
If you hate it why not leave? [&:]

Because life is more complex than living by a childish slogan of 'love it or leave it'...

Adults understand that reality and wouldn't ask the question in the first place...

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
If you hate it why not leave? [&:]

Because life is more complex than living by a childish slogan of 'love it or leave it'...

Adults understand that reality and wouldn't ask the question in the first place...

You mean you hate the government and it is evil but you cannot find a better place. You vote with your feet my friend.

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
You mean you hate the government and it is evil but you cannot find a better place. You vote with your feet my friend.

No, I mean that there is more to consider in life than just myself. Mature adults understand that in life, one needs to make decisions based upon more than just one's own feelings/beliefs.

[ORANGE]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

ORIGINAL: ORANGE
You mean you hate the government and it is evil but you cannot find a better place. You vote with your feet my friend.

No, I mean that there is more to consider in life than just myself. Mature adults understand that in life, one needs to make decisions based upon more than just one's own feelings/beliefs.

Well if you are speaking about children why would you raise them in this evil land where the government is plotting to enslave and imprison you. Where they will send you to prison for jay walking. [:D]